| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Charisma Online Editor Moderator
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 57
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: When Preaching Becomes a ‘Hate Crime’ |
Charisma Online Editor
Report this user and this post to administrators
| Items with prefix * are permanent. | Close |
|
|
Fire In My Bones: When Preaching Becomes a ‘Hate Crime’
By J. Lee Grady
Sound the alarm: American lawmakers voted yesterday to take us one step closer to tyranny.
Imagine that you are listening to your pastor preach about biblical
morality. He quotes from Romans 1 and tells the congregation that
homosexuality is a sin. He isn’t yelling or inciting a riot, nor does
he offer even a hint of malice in his words. He is simply stating a
Christian doctrine.
A few minutes later two uniformed police officers show up, march to
the front of the church, handcuff the minister and drag him out of the
building. He is arrested and jailed for violating laws against “hate
speech.”
It sounds like one of those cheesy doomsday movies they used to
show to church youth groups in the 1970s. You know, Big Brother
Antichrist sets up his headquarters in the United Nations building and
starts stamping his bar code on everyone’s forehead. Ridiculous, right?
If a controversial law that was passed yesterday in the U.S. House
of Representatives is adopted by the Senate, the outlandish film plot
could become a reality right here in the good ol’ U.S.A. It looks as if
Big Brother is alive and well and working in Congress.
The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007, or HR
1592 for short, was passed on the National Day of Prayer on May 3—at
the same time Christians were asking God to forgive us for our national
sins. Andrea Lafferty of the Traditional Values Coalition called the
ironic timing “a slap in the face” to God-fearing people.
Harry Jackson, a pastor from Washington, D.C., who directs the High
Impact Leadership Coaltion, says HR 1592 is no more than “a
surreptitious attempt by some in Congress to strip the nation of
religious freedom and the ability to preach the gospel from our church
pulpits.”
Some people will say Christians are overreacting. After all, hate
crimes happen. People have been attacked and even killed because of
their race—or because they were gay. But conservative lawmakers have
pointed out that we already have tough laws on the books to punish hate
crimes. What’s new about this sweeping legislation is that it places
gay people in a protected category and could lead to regulating speech
that might be linked to a hate crime.
Here are the facts about this dangerous bill:
* The legislation creates two federally recognized minority groups that
are vaguely defined by “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” That
means homosexuals and transgendered people get special protection—not
only from violence but also from “hate speech.”
* If a violent crime against a homosexual or transgendered person
can be traced back to “hate speech,” including, I suppose, a radio
message from James Dobson or an article they read in Charisma magazine,
then the offending preacher, publisher or columnist could be found
liable.
* If you take all of this to its insane conclusion, a Christian
ministry that offers compassionate prayer for the healing of
homosexuality could be accused of “hate”—since the ministry maintains
in its literature and seminars that homosexuality is an unhealthy
behavior.
Will police begin dragging preachers out of their pulpits for quoting a
Bible verse? It sounds preposterous—but given the current spiritual
climate in Washington, I wouldn’t assume that America’s time-honored
freedoms of speech and religion are safe.
We should recall the case of Ake Green, a Pentecostal pastor who
went to jail for a month because he described homosexuality as a
“cancerous growth in the body of society” during a 2003 sermon he
preached in his modern, sophisticated, enlightened nation of Sweden.
In July of that year Green preached on sexual immorality to some 50
members of his small-town Borgholm Pentecostal Church, then
subsequently published the sermon in the local newspaper. He was later
charged with hate speech against homosexuals and sentenced to jail. He
was finally acquitted of the crime after two years of litigation, but
socialist leaders in Sweden’s government made it clear that Christian
views on morality are not welcome.
In fact, Morgan Johansson, Sweden’s Minister of Public Health,
recently declared in a public debate in Gothenburg that Christians are
welcome in Swedish politics—but only as long as “they do not quote the
Bible.”
Who is guilty of the real hate crime here?
It appears that gay activists, European socialists and now U.S.
lawmakers think they have the right to promote legislation that could
unleash a wave of harassment, intimidation and religious censorship on
people of faith. Thankfully, we have a president who has pledged to
veto this bill. He needs our prayers as he makes another courageous but
unpopular decision.
J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma. A Senate version of HR 1592,
called S 1105, will be coming up for a vote soon. You can e-mail your
senator about this bill by visiting the Traditional Values Coalition’s
Web site at www.capwiz.com/traditional/dbq/officials. You can also watch a video with more information about HR 1592 at www.charismamag.com.
To receive the Fire In My Bones column in your email inbox and be entered for monthly book giveaways, visit: http://www.strang.com/newsletters.php
To read the most recent Charisma Online on the web, visit: http://www.fireinmybones.com
Last edited by Charisma Online Editor on Tue May 29, 2007 8:44 am; edited 3 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
anthony Active Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 994 Location: u.k
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Welcome
to the real world folks,thanks Mr Grady,The PC brigade have scored
another victory in both of our countries,exactly how they will proceed
is a matter for concern.Watch this space. _________________ Remain a blessing dear ones .tony |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
clytemnestra Active Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 251 Location: NC
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
My, my. I had hoped that we would have enough repect for the truth that I wouldn't see this flim-flamery here. Oh, well.
Contained in HR 1592 as passed:
| Quote: | | Nothing
in this act or the amendments made by this act shall be construed to
prohibit any expressive conduct [speech, letters to the editor,
sermons] protected from legal prohibition by or any activities
[marches, protests] protected by the free speech or free exercise
clauses of the First Amendment to the Constitution. |
It might be best to read the bill before commenting on it.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
flygirljc New Member
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 2 Location: OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: HR 1592 |
|
|
Cly - are you for or against the Truth in HR 1592???
The quoted text you have in your post does not have to be honored - you
must know that because the Surpreme Court Judges take the law into
their own hands - they can't even read the Constitution as it is
written - that there is NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE & that
is why all this mess keeps popping it's ugly head time after time
again.
Ms. Jan Carver
 _________________ Ms. Jan Carver
When we come to the edge of the light
we know and are about to step off into the darkness
of the unknown, of this we can be sure...
Either God will provide something solid to stand on, or we will be taught to
fly. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
richard.a Active Member
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 77 Location: Australia
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| clytemnestra wrote: | My, my. I had hoped that we would have enough repect for the truth that I wouldn't see this flim-flamery here. Oh, well.
Contained in HR 1592 as passed:
| Quote: | | Nothing
in this act or the amendments made by this act shall be construed to
prohibit any expressive conduct [speech, letters to the editor,
sermons] protected from legal prohibition by or any activities
[marches, protests] protected by the free speech or free exercise
clauses of the First Amendment to the Constitution. |
It might be best to read the bill before commenting on it.  |
Ahh, spoken well.
Now, my friend, have you actually read the text in the bill passed in
the Victorian State parliament of Australia a few years ago?
Or the the two attempts by the South Australian state parliament
this year and the year before, to pass very similar legislation?
In the former, two pastors were prosecuted under the Vilification
legislation which resulted in considerable expense (and probably
angst), and a conviction subsequently overturned by the Supreme Court,
and they are back to square one, to be re-tried for merely explaining
the Q'ran in context.
You can read the actual text of that Act on line at an url which begins http://www.dms.dpc.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/ - the url is too long to post here but you can find it at the foot of this post.
One will need to admit that there are phrases therein very much
like the one you quoted above theoretically to protect the innocent.
Legislation is usually drafted with appeasing sections within,
which when interpreted in line with the rest of the legislation mean
very little in real terms.
May I suggest that you go and research a little bit more before
denigrating the writer of the article to which this forum thread
refers?
At over 70, I've discovered that one cannot accept very much from legislators at face value, I'm afraid.
vilification act text url here _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?
#Christian-Chat on irc.undernet.org |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
maz 1,000 Posts Club
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 1425 Location: U.K.
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dear Richard.a...sorry, this is not about the content of your post...but your sig is SO true...thank goodness it's not just me
welcome...all the way from Oz.  _________________ Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
richard.a Active Member
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 77 Location: Australia
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
maz, thankee kindly sir/madam
It started as a tongue in cheek one some years ago... Although not
a geek, I'm on several technical forums and it occurred to me one day
that it is the epitome of a sig lol
Yours is a good'un too.
I've been to Birmingham too. I remember back in the 1950s when I was in
the RAF sleeping in the waiting room at New Street station
Or was it Snow Hill? I was stationed north of Wolverhampton on the A41
at Stoke Heath, next door to Tern Hill, just south of Market Drayton
(Salop).
Yep, the cat is out of the bag, now, I'm a "Pommie" living in "Ozzie", albeit a Welsh Pom .
Thanks again for the very warm welcome. Much appreciated. _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?
#Christian-Chat on irc.undernet.org |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
maz 1,000 Posts Club
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 1425 Location: U.K.
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
a Welsh Pom (I'm a 'madam,' but you can call me maz or marion)
ah you know good old New Street station?
I wonder if you would recognise it now? I probably wouldn't for I
do avoid the city centre...they keep changing it... I think I'm getting
old love things how they used to be in Brum city centre
anyway...I am part of an online aussie music group so I am getting familiar with the Aussie way of things and terminology
P.S. my uncle Fred was in the R.A.F. in the 50's...although he was a
Paddy...an Irish geezer, so you may not have come across him, but he
moved to B'ham after. _________________ Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
richard.a Active Member
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 77 Location: Australia
|
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Off Topic
Is it really, though? The Welsh revival of the early 1900s produced a lot of "Fire in my Bones", after all.
Check out my involvement with teaching four ozzies how to sing with
three Welshmen in the Welsh language at a 50th birthday party of
another Welsh Pom I'm the one conducting (and singing, of course).
http://richardashton.dyndns.org/Karen_50
One of the Welsh boyos wanted desperately to sing that old hymn "Calon
Lan" and/or "Bread of Heaven" (my favourite) but we had to sing what
the lady requested heh!
Oh, the hosting computer is by my right knee lol.
Edit
I'm sure you are not a "madam" but rather a "ma'am", there being a heck of a difference heh
Richard in Adelaide _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?
#Christian-Chat on irc.undernet.org |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Lucy W. Roberts Active Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 918 Location: Houston, Texas
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | repect for the truth |
This is so poignant coming from you!
Yes, you need to do this...respect the truth!
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life and He died a
hideous death on the cross, sacrificing His Life's blood to pay for all
of your sin so He could save you from your sin and then from death and
then from hell. How can you refuse so great a salvation? Can you refuse
Him now? Jesus loves you, Cly. The Truth...He loves you...can you
refuse Him? He wants to save you out of your sin, not leave you there.
He wants you to come to Him with your whole heart and trust Him. He
wants to make your heart alive to Him and His Word. Can you refuse Him
now?
Lord Jesus, bless Cly's heart to be soft and fertile to Your Truth,
Your Love for her and to receive Your seed...Your mercy and grace to
save her for all eternity in Your Kingdom, to live forever with You _________________ If God is for us who can be against us?
Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your
righteousness shine like the dawn; the justice of your cause like the
noonday sun!
No weapon formed against us shall prosper. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
richard.a Active Member
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 77 Location: Australia
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
I seem to remember that the 'real' Clytemnestra
was a mythological semi-deity who allegedly not only lived in a very
bloodthirsty period of time, but was happy to do so, from the Greek
history and mythology I read back in the early 1940s when I was of
impressionable age.
One wonders if "our" Clytemnestra is similarly worldly in nature and outlook? Hope not
I notice Wikipedia has quite a section about her (the real one, I mean).
I don't think this is probably the best place to do character
assassinations though, hehe. Nor proseletising, although we should be
prepared to defend the faith at every opportunity. After all, the
monarchs of the United Kingdom have carried the Latin title of "Fidelis
Defensor" (Defender of the Faith) prior to, during, and since the
Reformation - when England ceased to have any allegiance to the Roman
Catholic church. After all, this is reflected in the letters F.D. being on the British coinage.
One wonders how succesful the proseletising a demi-god(dess) from Greek folk-lore would be...
Richard, from
The City of Churches _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?
#Christian-Chat on irc.undernet.org |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Nikos Active Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 680
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks
for the article as it draws our attention to a real threat to the
freedom we have to preach the Gospel. I believe that there is a
potential danger here in this legislation and knowing the government,
any move in the direction of restricting freedom could very well bring
about future actual restriction.
As far as I am concerned there is no need to catagorize crime on the
law books by motive. That is dealt with in the jury room where it
should be dealt with. I believe the present laws are sufficient to deal
with all these problems. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
clytemnestra Active Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 251 Location: NC
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| richard.a wrote: | I seem to remember that the 'real' Clytemnestra
was a mythological semi-deity who allegedly not only lived in a very
bloodthirsty period of time, but was happy to do so, from the Greek
history and mythology I read back in the early 1940s when I was of
impressionable age.
One wonders if "our" Clytemnestra is similarly worldly in nature and outlook? Hope not
I notice Wikipedia has quite a section about her (the real one, I mean).
I don't think this is probably the best place to do character
assassinations though, hehe. Nor proseletising, although we should be
prepared to defend the faith at every opportunity. After all, the
monarchs of the United Kingdom have carried the Latin title of "Fidelis
Defensor" (Defender of the Faith) prior to, during, and since the
Reformation - when England ceased to have any allegiance to the Roman
Catholic church. After all, this is reflected in the letters F.D. being on the British coinage.
One wonders how succesful the proseletising a demi-god(dess) from Greek folk-lore would be...
Richard, from
The City of Churches |
When establishing my e-mail account, I thought a female name from
ancient Greek mythology would add a touch of mystery, foreign intrigue
and timelessness to my "personna." Other names of this kind had already
been taken. Clytemnestra was the first one I tried that was available,
so I took it.
I didn't know the details of her story at the time, that wasn't a
consideration. So don't read too much into it. I've learned a lot
since, though, believe me.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Father Onesimus Active Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 72 Location: Denver, Colorado
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
| clytemnestra wrote: | My, my. I had hoped that we would have enough repect for the truth that I wouldn't see this flim-flamery here. Oh, well.
Contained in HR 1592 as passed:
| Quote: | | Nothing
in this act or the amendments made by this act shall be construed to
prohibit any expressive conduct [speech, letters to the editor,
sermons] protected from legal prohibition by or any activities
[marches, protests] protected by the free speech or free exercise
clauses of the First Amendment to the Constitution. |
It might be best to read the bill before commenting on it.  |
My boy, you have SO MUCH to learn about how governments actually
operate. They have a nasty tendency to GROOOOOOWWWWW; to arrogate more
and more power to themselves at the expense of the liberties of the
people.
If not resisted at every step, soon there is true tyrrany. This hate
speach law is just like Canada's and Sweden's WHERE PASTORS ARE ALREADY
IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW FOR PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD.
Please don't come here just to play the disingenuous fool.......... _________________ Father Onesimus, a sinner |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
TransformingWord Active Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 236 Location: The Ministry Center of New York
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
I
GUESS IM GONNA BE LIKE PAUL AND SPEND ALOT OF TIME IN JAIL..CAUSE IM
GONNA PREACH AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND SIN TILL I GET CAUGHT UP IN
HEAVEN. BUT KNOWING GOD HE WILL PROVIDE A WAY OF ESCAPE THE BOOK OF
ACTS IS BACK. JUST LIKE GAY MARRIAGE WILL NEVER BE FULLY ACCEPTED IN
THIS COUNTRY...THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH I DONT LIKE SOME OF HIS
WAYS BUT HE BELIEVES IN MALE AND FEMALE MARRIAGE. WE DEFINETLY NEED TO
KEEP HIM IN PRAYER AND PRAYER OF WISDOM ON WHO TO VOTE AS THE NEXT
PRESIDENT.
NOW ONE THING I WONT SUPPORT IS BASHING OF GAY PEOPLE THAT TOTALLY
IS'NT GODLY . I SAY HE WITHOUT SIN CASTE THE FIRST STONE WHEN IT COMES
TO THAT. HOMOSEXUALS ARE ALREADY MISERABLE LET THEM DEAL WITH THERE OWN
MISERY WITHIN THERE COMMUNITY (SEXUAL ASSOCIATION UNDER THE DIGUISE OF
LOVE AND EQUALITY). BUT KILLING A CREATION OF GOD DOES NOT WARRANT HIS
JUDGEMENT.
BUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO BE REVEALED IN THIS WORLD TO THE BELIEVERS STAY IN
THE HOUSE OF THE LORD THINGS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE A MAJOR TURN. ITS FOR
THE FEAR OF THE LORD TO BE EVIDENT. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|