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| clytemnestra wrote: | | showlove wrote: | Heterosexuality is FAR superior to homosexuality. Yep I am "prejudiced".
What? You thought that I would be afraid of your labels? |
No, but acknowledging our faults is the first step in correcting them.
cly |
| richard.a wrote: | or just a selfish person demanding to have their own way.
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So, acknowledge away, Cly...we are waiting for you to acknowledge
your sinful transgression before your Holy Lord, God, our Creator. Amen.
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I referred on page 3 to the three monologues of Bill Cosby from the late 1950s (black-and-white) television. I found where I had put them, so if anyone is interested:
Here is the url of Noah and the Lord as created from the LP (or what-have-you) that it was originally on. There are three mp3's.
Hope you enjoy it 
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| clytemnestra wrote: | | showlove wrote: | Heterosexuality is FAR superior to homosexuality. Yep I am "prejudiced".
What? You thought that I would be afraid of your labels? |
No, but acknowledging our faults is the first step in correcting them.
cly |
Okay. You first.
The father of lies always imitates what he can't have. It is no surprise that he and his minions would try harder.
What remains is the fact that the God that you say you love so much
made no provision whatsoever that makes it possible for homosexual
couples to become one flesh and procreate.
Heterosexuality is far superior to homosexuality.
Maestro!
"Ain't nuthin' like the REAL thang ba-bay
Ain't nuthin' like the.....,
REALLLLL thang!
So glad we got the real thang ba-bay
So glad we got the......,
REALLLLLLL thang!" |
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Okay, let's try just once more.
A scripture the person leading our village fellowship today quoted,
and which really hit home, so I took it as a word to me to post here as I find it impossible to read this any other way than it is.
Jesus is speaking, addressing His disciples, from John's gospel, straight from the shoulder...
John 14:15 - 24 Phillips Modern English Translation.
"If you really love me, you will keep the commandments I have given you and I shall ask the Father to give you Someone else to stand by you, to be with you always.
I mean the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, for it can
neither see nor recognise that Spirit. But you recognise Him, for he is
in you now, and in your hearts.
I am not going to leave you alone in the world - I am coming to you.
In a very little while, the world will see me no more, but you will see
me, because I am really alive and you will be alive too. When that day
comes, you will realise that I am in my Father, that you are in me, and
I am in you.
Everyone who knows my commandments and obeys them is who really loves me, and everyone who really loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and make myself known to them."
Then Judas (not Iscariot) said "Lord, how is it that you will make yourself known to us, and not to the to the world?"
And to this Jesus replied "When someone loves me, they follow my teachings. Then my Father will love them, and He will come to them and make His home with them.
Those who do not really love me will not follow my teaching. Indeed what you are hearing from me now is not really my saying but comes from the Father who sent me.
Do I hear an "Amen"?
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| richard.a wrote: | | No,
I have come to the conclusion that clytemnestra will not understand,
until the Holy Spirit moves within them, and they listen, then actually
recognise and accept that they are rejecting both God and His will. |
Where in the gospels does Jesus "reject" the gays that He met? You show
disrespect to Jesus and His teachings when you suggest that He did.
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richard.a
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| clytemnestra wrote: | | Where
in the gospels does Jesus "reject" the gays that He met? You show
disrespect to Jesus and His teachings when you suggest that He did. |
Those who chose to do it their way as opposed to His were among those
who chose to not follow Him; they all rejected Him, by definition. Read
my last post carefully.
There is room - but only in this mortal life - for anyone who makes
the choice to reject Him and His teachings, to repent, to do a 180
degree turn. However don't leave it too long. The longer one continues
in disobedience, the harder it is to back out, and the less one desires
to do. Many of us have found that.
Remember that the majority of mortal lives end at most unexpected
moments; if you doubt that, talk to nurses, ambulance crews and police.
It is my conviction that if you die still insisting your way is right,
He in His just mercy will allow you to keep your desire and choice of
where to spend the rest of eternity. True, scripture doesn't actually
say that, but I for one would not be prepared to take the chance.
You know why all sin is equally obnoxious to Him?
Because all sin is generated from the same attitude that only we
fallen people have, to quote Cassius Clay (as he was then) "I'm the
greatest".
Sin is wilful disobedience, rebellion against our Creator God, who
offers us an undeserved total pardon and reinstatement if we will
humble ourselves to accept Him and His will for us, which is recognised
by reading His teachings.
Have you realised it is reinstatement? What was lost at the time of
the fall - and indeed more, because the glory the faithful who love
Jesus AND keep His teachings is far greater that what was available to
the First Adam.
But I suspect you'll come up with another challenge to the Lord
Jesus Christ in reply. It's not my points on this forum that you are
challenging, you know. It is Jesus Himself, and His teachings.
Think about that carefully. The attitude that comes across is "No way,
I'm doing it my way because you (Jesus) are wrong." Please think
carefully about that. The spirit world around us is full of Wormwoods
and Screwtapes who rub their hands with glee every time someone
challenges the Lord Jesus in this way.
Another view on the hijacked topic...
The alphabetical flag for the letter "U" in navies around the
world, and their Mercantile Marine also (The International Code of
Signals) whose meaning is the same in whatever language the viewer
speaks, is You are standing into danger.
Not just "You are in danger" which is a passive thing. "U" for Uniform
(used to be "Uncle") is an active deliberate action taken by the vessel
being signalled, and it means "you are headed for destruction because
of your own decisions".
I believe that this thread needs to wake those who think your way
to the dangers of the course you are currently plotting. Navigators are
able to take their protractors, compasses, dividers, squares, sextants,
and all the other man-made gadgets to determine a different and better,
safer, direction of travel.
I ask you to just do it. The time is long past imploring you. You
know what to do, but are just too stubbornly dug in. Please wake up.
You have continually met our initially pleasant approaches to you with
hostility and pride. I honestly think it is close to brush and sandals
time for you.
Bed time. Good night.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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Cly, who has rejected you? No one. We have simply told you the truth!
You have failed to acknowledge that Holy Spirit, God the Father and
Jesus are One and the same. The Holy One has declared that what you are
choosing to do is abomination to Him. He is the One waiting for you to
turn to Him and be saved.
It is you who continue choosing to 'reject' the Truth...not us! God's
love is jealous for you, and if you sow rejection you will reap it! It
is not surprising that you feel rejected, but this is more personal,
between you and God, than you have been able to realize. He is the only
God and Savior. He is One---Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is the One
who waits for you to turn to Him, repent and be saved. He is the One
who will rejoice over you with singing when you do.
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Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your
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Message to moderators and webmaster
I believe you folks need to reappraise
your policy of "let anything go" in the way of posts, because the
original article was extremely interesting, yet we had no discussion on
it.
Why didn't we have any discussion?
Apart from a couple of very early posts which came from people
wanting to do so, the rest has been utter garbage from one single user
who totally hijacked the thread for their own selfish purposes,
promoting a point of view which they were well aware would snowball
into a debate on one tiny portion of the topic.
Here we are, at the end of the SEVENTH PAGE and you have allowed
them to destroy any possible discussion on what to me was a rather
important topic.
Several days have elapsed since anyone bothered.
I believe that you will have lost an enormous amount of credibility
in your readers' eyes, by allowing trolls to manipulate your site.
After all, this is why there are moderators on a forum, isn't it?
This is not a question of muzzling free speech. The troll doing
this has been doing it elsewhere on your forum too and is well aware of
the answers to their bleating.
Having said all this, I really doubt that an answer will get posted by those who run the forum.
I do believe you have really missed the boat, my friends, and it is such a pity.
I do hope for Americans' sake that the U.S. Senate sees the dangers
and returns the bill for redrafting, or even better, rejects it
outright. Looks like discussion is being prevented by a vocal
agenda-driven core if this thread is anything to go by.
Richard in Australia
One of the countries where this repressive legislation is enacted
(albeit in several regions),
and if the wannabe Prime Minister gets elected in a few months,
it will be enacted nation-wide because of their party platform.
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: When Preaching Becomes a ‘Hate Crime’ |
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Hi richard.a.
I think it's worth another go as I agree with you that it is an
important subject. I'm wondering about a similar thing in the UK. As in
Daniel's day, the method of attack is something to do with the law of his God (6 v 5)
| Charisma Online Editor wrote: | Fire In My Bones: When Preaching Becomes a ‘Hate Crime’
By J. Lee Grady
Sound the alarm: American lawmakers voted yesterday to take us one step closer to tyranny.
Imagine that you are listening to your pastor preach about biblical
morality. He quotes from Romans 1 and tells the congregation that
homosexuality is a sin. He isn’t yelling or inciting a riot, nor does
he offer even a hint of malice in his words. He is simply stating a
Christian doctrine.
A few minutes later two uniformed police officers show up, march to
the front of the church, handcuff the minister and drag him out of the
building. He is arrested and jailed for violating laws against “hate
speech.”
It sounds like one of those cheesy doomsday movies they used to
show to church youth groups in the 1970s. You know, Big Brother
Antichrist sets up his headquarters in the United Nations building and
starts stamping his bar code on everyone’s forehead. Ridiculous, right?
If a controversial law that was passed yesterday in the U.S. House
of Representatives is adopted by the Senate, the outlandish film plot
could become a reality right here in the good ol’ U.S.A. It looks as if
Big Brother is alive and well and working in Congress.
The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007, or HR
1592 for short, was passed on the National Day of Prayer on May 3—at
the same time Christians were asking God to forgive us for our national
sins. Andrea Lafferty of the Traditional Values Coalition called the
ironic timing “a slap in the face” to God-fearing people.
Harry Jackson, a pastor from Washington, D.C., who directs the High
Impact Leadership Coaltion, says HR 1592 is no more than “a
surreptitious attempt by some in Congress to strip the nation of
religious freedom and the ability to preach the gospel from our church
pulpits.”
Some people will say Christians are overreacting. After all, hate
crimes happen. People have been attacked and even killed because of
their race—or because they were gay. But conservative lawmakers have
pointed out that we already have tough laws on the books to punish hate
crimes. What’s new about this sweeping legislation is that it places
gay people in a protected category and could lead to regulating speech
that might be linked to a hate crime.
Here are the facts about this dangerous bill:
* The legislation creates two federally recognized minority groups that
are vaguely defined by “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” That
means homosexuals and transgendered people get special protection—not
only from violence but also from “hate speech.”
* If a violent crime against a homosexual or transgendered person
can be traced back to “hate speech,” including, I suppose, a radio
message from James Dobson or an article they read in Charisma magazine,
then the offending preacher, publisher or columnist could be found
liable.
* If you take all of this to its insane conclusion, a Christian
ministry that offers compassionate prayer for the healing of
homosexuality could be accused of “hate”—since the ministry maintains
in its literature and seminars that homosexuality is an unhealthy
behavior.
Will police begin dragging preachers out of their pulpits for quoting a
Bible verse? It sounds preposterous—but given the current spiritual
climate in Washington, I wouldn’t assume that America’s time-honored
freedoms of speech and religion are safe.
We should recall the case of Ake Green, a Pentecostal pastor who
went to jail for a month because he described homosexuality as a
“cancerous growth in the body of society” during a 2003 sermon he
preached in his modern, sophisticated, enlightened nation of Sweden.
In July of that year Green preached on sexual immorality to some 50
members of his small-town Borgholm Pentecostal Church, then
subsequently published the sermon in the local newspaper. He was later
charged with hate speech against homosexuals and sentenced to jail. He
was finally acquitted of the crime after two years of litigation, but
socialist leaders in Sweden’s government made it clear that Christian
views on morality are not welcome.
In fact, Morgan Johansson, Sweden’s Minister of Public Health,
recently declared in a public debate in Gothenburg that Christians are
welcome in Swedish politics—but only as long as “they do not quote the
Bible.”
Who is guilty of the real hate crime here?
It appears that gay activists, European socialists and now U.S.
lawmakers think they have the right to promote legislation that could
unleash a wave of harassment, intimidation and religious censorship on
people of faith. Thankfully, we have a president who has pledged to
veto this bill. He needs our prayers as he makes another courageous but
unpopular decision.
J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma. A Senate version of HR 1592,
called S 1105, will be coming up for a vote soon. You can e-mail your
senator about this bill by visiting the Traditional Values Coalition’s
Web site at www.capwiz.com/traditional/dbq/officials. You can also watch a video with more information about HR 1592 at www.charismamag.com.
To receive the Fire In My Bones column in your email inbox and be entered for monthly book giveaways, visit: http://www.strang.com/newsletters.php
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Message to moderators and webmaster |
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| richard.a wrote: | ...
Richard in Australia
One of the countries where this repressive legislation is enacted
(albeit in several regions),
and if the wannabe Prime Minister gets elected in a few months,
it will be enacted nation-wide because of their party platform. |
The Global Day of Prayer is coming up. I think there will be a lot of prayer going up for issues like this.
In my opinion, the nature of the attack is spiritual and therefore has to be dealt with spiritually. |
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richard.a
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Message to moderators and webmaster |
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| Yagudin wrote: | | In my opinion, the nature of the attack is spiritual and therefore has to be dealt with spiritually. |
Most definitely, I totally agree with you.
| Yagudin wrote: | | I
think it's worth another go as I agree with you that it is an important
subject. I'm wondering about a similar thing in the UK. As in Daniel's
day, the method of attack is something to do with the law of his God (6
v 5) |
The difference, as I see it, is that in Daniel's day, once the Lord
gave the sign of four men walking and talking with one another in the
fiery furnace when only three had been apparently executed for their
faith, even the king and his courtiers could recognise what was going
on.
I am quite firmly of the opinion that we are well advanced in what
scripture calls "the time of the end", and in all probability there is
little any of us can do to hold the powers and principalities back.
Saying that I believe we still have to stand up and be counted,
mate, but I don't believe that there is anything that will hold God's
count-down, now it has been started. I'm not a fatalist, just a
believer in God's word as being infallible (in its original autographs
rather than translations), even if there are things about it that we do
not understand.
I have been reading about judges in the high court in the US, who
have decreed that while Christianity has to have no place in state run
schools, children with no connection to Islam have no choice but to
recite the Q'ran and similar stuff on command from teachers and others
right there in the classroom.
Other things I have read have included the story of the "Flying
Imams" who were removed from a flight because they performed many of
the actions of documented 9/11 and London bombers prior to those
activities, and the US court system is now pillorying the observant
complainants who reported what was going on. That case is still going
on as I understand.
Even one of the cardinals in Rome (and I'm not a papist) has openly
declared that the Antichrist will come in an all-inclusive role, and
the cardinal apparently said can be summed up like this ...
| Quote: | | “The
antichrist presents himself as a pacifist, ecologist and ecumenist.” In
other words, he’ll be against all war and conflict, an environmentalist
and so inclusive with Christianity that a watered-down, diluted version
is what will remain". |
But there again, I'm a wierdo who looks for nasties under rocks! I've been told so to my face 
It is an interesting world in which we live, and I'm looking forward to going home.
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I am sure you are spot on Richard,hi-jacking is common on this forum.
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I am quite firmly of the opinion that we are well advanced in what
scripture calls "the time of the end", and in all probability there is
little any of us can do to hold the powers and principalities back. |
I agree. We call evil good and good evil. We promte that which is vile
and against God. I am with you I hope this thing is winding down if for
no other reason than if the world is allowed to continue this slide it
will be a very scary place.
Jesus said there'd be days like this
There'd be days like this Jesus said.
Jesus said there'd be days like this
There'd be days like this my Jesus said. |
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Lucy W. Roberts
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have got to realize that God is Truth, His Word is Truth, and He tells
us the Truth in His Spirit of Truth everyday! Who are we to gloss over,
sympathize with the world, be politically correct and seek a
'friendly', separatist or lying doctrine?! God's Word is True and any
who would change it are liars!
"Preaching" the Truth, the Faith as Jesus and His first disciples lived
it is almost a foreign concept in the hearts and minds of MOST
church-goers today! It's a shame and appalling.
I can almost see the look on God's face...where is the purity of My
Word in My people...and the faith in their hearts to see Me accomplish
it through them.
If My people who are called by My Name will humble themselves and pray
and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from
Heaven and heal their land!
Lord, we need You to heal our land. We need You, Lord. We need Your
face shining on us! We need Your Truth in the inmost parts! We need
Your Word and Your Truth like we need breath and water! We need the
unadulterated Truth of the Living Word of the Mighty God flowing in and
among us, Holy, True and undefiled! Your Word, Mighty God, forever and
ever reigns! We Love You, Living Word, Jesus, the Way and the Truth and
the Life! We desire to breathe You in and live on Your Holy Word of
Truth. We bow to You, Spirit of the Living God, Spirit of Truth, as You
lead us into all Truth! Strengthen us in Your Truth! Strengthen us in
Your purity and Your Living Word. Impassion us with Your Holy Fire and
keep Your passion burning in us. Your Truth, forever! Amen.
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