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Lucy W. Roberts
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REVIVAL. 5
A TURNING POINT.
The voice of the Lord as heard in Jeremiah issued a call for the people
to turn to the Lord, with their whole heart. Any revival, any move of
the Lord requires those who seek Him diligently and with all their soul
and spirit. Those who turn to the Lord in heart felt prayer have the
assurance that He will hear them. When they seek after Him they will
find Him. Again, His response is in accordance with the sincerity and
whole heartedness with which He is sought. Jer. 29:12-13 Travailing
prayer is necessary for any revival to take place.
THREE SIGNS OF A SINCERE HEART. Joel 2:12
FASTING. Certainly not always the most pleasant exercise in seeking the
Lord. Even so, it demonstrates a greater hunger for the things of the
Spirit than those of the flesh. It brings into subjection the natural
nature and desires of man to the will and purpose of the Lord. It is a
humbling of the old man, the carnal nature. The spiritual benefits far
outweigh any anguish that may be encountered. 2 Chr. 20:3-4
WEEPING. The Lord has said that a broken and contrite heart He will not
despise. The scripture specifically designates that the priests and
ministers of the Lord weep between the porch and the altar. Joel 2:17
Weeping in prayer indicates a burden and love for the lost. It is not a
case of personal sorrow but a cry for the salvation of those who are
unsaved. Like those who go forth weeping and sowing, the end result
will be rejoicing. Ps. 126:6 To be able to weep before the Lord in
prayer is one of the most blessed spiritual experiences. Jesus stood
and wept over the city of Jerusalem. He knew that the time of their
visitation by the Lord was drawing to a close and that judgment was to
follow. Mat. 23:37
MOURNING.
Again, not a spiritual work that is because of some sadness or sorrow
that is personal. However, knowing the times and the seasons, we enter
into a burden in prayer for those who are lost now and soon to be
eternally lost, except they repent. It is strong prayer And could
easily culminate in a travail in prayer. Certainly the most awesome of
prayers and unfortunately frequently misunderstood by church
leadership. It is scriptural and will be come more and more evident as
we approach the end of the age. Paul spoke of it as a prayer motivated
by the spirit. Rom. 8:26
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Where can I go to be with God?
Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted!
Amen.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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Richard, thank you for that edifying post!
Kind of speaks against Christian "entertainment" mentality and
seeking to comfort ourselves for comfort's sake amid this fallen and
broken world. I'm convicted and encouraged to pray God's heart.
Where can I go to meet with my God? When can I go be with my God and pray with Him, and be with Him in His heart?
(Not everyone is called to be an intercessor, but after reading your
post, Lord God I want to be in Your call the way You see us...the way
Your heart wants and sees intercession, Lord I want Your heart for
interceding for Your people. Amen.)
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Shalomit
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Check the Text |
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49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" - Ezekiel 16:49.
This is the actual reason that Sodom was judged (see Proverbs
6:16-19 for the list of the "Seven Deadly Sins"). "Butt piratetry"
isn't even mentioned in the text in Ezekiel. This demonstrates that
pride is the root of all ugly behavior, and that homosexuality is
really a symptom itself and not a cause. |
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clytemnestra
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| richard.a wrote: | | clytemnestra wrote: | | Well,
then, are you willing to give up the original legislation that protects
people who are singled out due to their religion? A little consistency
here would be appreciated. |
I believe your question shows that you don't read what others post, and
merely keep shouting "hate, hate, hate", clytemnestra. Please explain
why this appears to be the case. |
I have no problem with people quoting the Bible or expressing their
religious opinions about gays. There are 130+ Christian sects in this
country and each is entitled to its views.
What I do consider hateful is when people say things that are 1)
misleading, untrue or stereotype gays, and 2) these things are
derogatory in nature. This is the manner of speaking of whites in the
segregated south where blacks were casually referred to as lazy,
ignorant, less civilized, in constant need of supervision to keep their
immoral tendencies in check, and so on.
Now many of these same people have turned to mischaractorizing gays in
the same way. Winnie tells us how miserable gay life is. While it's
true that life may be miserable for gay teens who are kicked out of
their homes by self-righteous parents and are left to fend for
themselves on the streets, this misery results from having unloving
parents, not the fact that they're gay. The many gays who live in our
community and go to our churches are not at all miserable as Winnie
claims.
Lucy has one post which almost entirely consists of one anti-gay
slur after another. She ends by saying, "get saved." What is she
saying? Does she mean that I should start spewing out the same hateful
anti-gay rhetoric that she uses?
People claim to be godly. Yet when it comes to the commandment that
we not bare false witness against our neighbors, they act like this
doesn't apply when they speak about gays. Many claim to be Christian,
yet when it comes to Jesus' commandment that we love our neighbors,
they pretend that this doesn't include members of the LGBT community.
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has been explained that the extra clauses inserted into this redrafted
bill both can, and in all likelihood will be turned against
Christianity, specifically in regard to freedom to speak of biblical
content, as has occurred in all other countries where it has been
implemented. |
I'd be more concerned with the general public's perceptions, rather
than any action by the police. I see Fred Phelps and his clan will be
protesting at Jerry Falwell's funeral. Apparently he wasn't anti-gay
enough to suit them.
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I have a question - which I doubt if you are likely to answer, because
to date you haven't answered any direct questions asked by anybody.
Out of interest, do you attend one of the Metropolitan Community Churches?
And out of interest, is your preferred translation of the Bible the
3rd Edition of the "New Oxford Annotated Bible" aka the NRSV? |
As I've previously mentioned, we belong to the United Methodist Church UMC.org.
Open Minds, Open Hearts, Open Doors. We also join our friends, gay and
straight, at the near-by Lutheran Church for special activities.
I read the New International Version of the Bible (red letter
edition) that my parents give me when I was in Sunday School. I also
refer to the KJV at times. It makes it clear that the newly coined term
"homosexualtiy" refers to behavior, not feelings. That's an important
distinction to make. I'm not familiar with the NRSV. Does it make this
distinction between feelings and behaviors as well?
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clytemnestra
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | Cly, your snide remarks about Baptists and "submissive women" sound like hate crimes to me... 
Maybe you should ask Jesus to save you through and through instead
of use His Name, while not knowing Him in person, as a militant weapon
in the media war you are waging...
Did you read the post above, o unsaved one? Maybe you could learn
something? And like Richard said, show some respect, if you yet still
have the ability, and actually read the posts before you answer...
Pro 18:13 He who answers a matter before he hears [it], It [is] folly and shame to him. |
LOL. Speech is only "hateful" when it is UNTRUE. "Wives, submit to
your husbands" is Baptist doctrine that they reconfirmed at their
convention as recently as last year. Their own words condemn them, not
me.
Most main line churches understand that Holy Matrimony is a
partnership between equals. Practically speaking, this seems to work
out for the best. In Massachusetts, for example, where this is
generally the case we find the divorce rate is 0.89 per 1000 married
couples per year. In Texas which is a Southern Baptist bastion the
divorce rate is 2.16
Apparently, Southern Baptist women aren't any more interested in
being some man's servant than other self respecting women are. The
"treat 'em like chattel and breed 'em like cattle" view of women is
long gone, I'm happy to say.
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clytemnestra
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Check the Text |
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| Shalomit wrote: | 49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" - Ezekiel 16:49.
This is the actual reason that Sodom was judged (see Proverbs
6:16-19 for the list of the "Seven Deadly Sins"). "Butt piratetry"
isn't even mentioned in the text in Ezekiel. This demonstrates that
pride is the root of all ugly behavior, and that homosexuality is
really a symptom itself and not a cause. |
Exactly right, Shalomit. Lucy continually misrepresents the cause of
Sodom's destruction as being directly due to the homosexual behaviors
of the mostly heterosexual men there. Yet the scriptures make it clear
in the discussions between God and Abraham that the destruction was due
to the lack of righteousness in the city, the failure of the citizens
to serve God as they should. Wanton sexual activity between unmarried
men and women were also a symptom. Yet no one bothers to mention this.
They'd rather improperly blame it all on same sex activity instead.
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TransformingWord
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I didnt know hetrosexual men were into raping other men
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clytemnestra
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| TransformingWord wrote: | | I didnt know hetrosexual men were into raping other men |
That's exactly what makes what they were doing so sinful. Rape has
nothing to do with "lust" and the fact it involves sex is secondary.
Rape has everything to do with Power, exercizing control over someone
else.
The men of Sodom (all, young and old, the Bible tells us) wanted to
show these strangers "who's boss" by treating them this way. This is
symbolized today whenever someone is given the "one finger salute."
The portion of women and children in the city makes it clear that
these were heterosexuals. Men giving up their Natural Affection for
women to have relations with other men is also what makes it unnatural
and sinful. This is what Paul was talking about in Romans 1.
He wasn't talking about men who have no natural affection for women in
the first place. The church has held blessing ceremonies for gay
couples through most of its history.
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TransformingWord
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But
where in the Bible did it say they were straight? And Paul was not
referring to the same issue in Romans 1. He talked about men and women
leaving there NATURAL sexual interaction for UNNATURAL sexuality acts
which is immorality.In other words all people were BORN NATURALLY TO BE
ATTRACTED TO THE OPPOSITE SEX. Sodom was destroyed because.... In a
similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave
themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an
example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. The Book of
Jude
Can you even name a gay couple in the bible? David and Jonathan
were both straight, Ruth and Naomi were both straight. My beliefs are
this if God meant for people to be gay and to multiple we would have
had Adam with Steve and Eve with Sharon and none of us would have been
here. Lets not mix up love with lust. Lets stick to the fact the
biblical facts homosexuality is an immoral act as well as fornication,
adultery, rape, and pedofilia. You can call 100 scientist in the room
and they still can not explain how man came into existence. The same
scientist that call you an descendent of an Ape named Molly. Anything
that degrades the intent of sex is immorality. Women can get each other
pregnant with the the assistance of a turkey baster or artificial
insemention or at the actual sex act with another man. Men that self
explainitory cant carry babies.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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| TransformingWord wrote: | But
where in the Bible did it say they were straight? And Paul was not
referring to the same issue in Romans 1. He talked about men and women
leaving there NATURAL sexual interaction for UNNATURAL sexuality acts
which is immorality.In other words all people were BORN NATURALLY TO BE
ATTRACTED TO THE OPPOSITE SEX. Sodom was destroyed because.... In a
similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave
themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an
example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. The Book of
Jude
Can you even name a gay couple in the bible? David and Jonathan
were both straight, Ruth and Naomi were both straight. My beliefs are
this if God meant for people to be gay and to multiple we would have
had Adam with Steve and Eve with Sharon and none of us would have been
here. Lets not mix up love with lust. Lets stick to the fact the
biblical facts homosexuality is an immoral act as well as fornication,
adultery, rape, and pedofilia. You can call 100 scientist in the room
and they still can not explain how man came into existence. The same
scientist that call you an descendent of an Ape named Molly. Anything
that degrades the intent of sex is immorality. Women can get each other
pregnant with the the assistance of a turkey baster or artificial
insemention or at the actual sex act with another man. Men that self
explainitory cant carry babies. |
Very true, Transforming Word...it never said it the Bible they were straight! That's only according to cly...
...In fact, they were so overcome with their perverted lust that they
"desired" these angels greatly...just more evidence for the angels to
bring about the judgment that these perverts deserved. They were sent
to Abraham to warn him first. And when the angels found perversion
burning in them beyond their ability to contain themselves, then they
removed Lot and his family and God rained down fire from heaven! They
weren't rapists as cly is trying to deceive and assist her perverted
view of Scripture. They were overcome by this perverse and lawless
spirit! Big difference. Perversion running rampant in their inmost
being...that was their problem!
| Cly wrote: | | Speech is only "hateful" when it is UNTRUE. |
That is truly a cly-ism definition! 
| Cly wrote: | | "Wives, submit to your husbands" is Baptist doctrine that they reconfirmed at their convention as recently as last year. |
Paul, the Apostle wrote it...maybe you should read your Bible. There is
nothing 'baptist' about wives submitting to their husbands. It is not
only "Biblical" but also it is how we are to treat Jesus, submitting to
Him, as we, those of us who ARE born-again believers, we are His Bride.
(Do you really want this perverse spirit dictating to you who and what
you are and who and what God is like this? You got some catchin' up to
do! You need to get in the Word and hear the real Truth!)
| Quote: | richard.a wrote:
| Quote: | clytemnestra wrote:
Well, then, are you willing to give up the original legislation
that protects people who are singled out due to their religion? A
little consistency here would be appreciated. |
I believe your question shows that you don't read what others post, and
merely keep shouting "hate, hate, hate", clytemnestra. Please explain
why this appears to be the case. |
CLy just keeps trying to re-write the Bible with her own slant. She
screams hate because she can't think of anything else...just "using"
the most politically charged language she can find. It has been proven
to her over and over that sharing the gospel with her is not hateful
nor is anyone on these threads condoning "hate" Truth is, Cly "hates"
the Truth! She doesn't want to be convicted of her sin. She wants to
try and out-shout the Truth that keeps beckoning her and whispering in
her spirit...I am the Way and the Truth and the Life.
God is God and there is no other! His Word will never pass away. He
will bring to pass every Word He has spoken, and we live by every Word
He utters.
Not the "doctrine of demons according to cly"
Your political agenda doesn't offend nor threaten God one bit! But,
I wonder, when you see Jesus coming on the clouds, are you prepared to
mourn? Because His holiness and Truth, His spoken Word about you being
in abomination before Him...you may not feel very convicted now in your
deceived state, but you will then...Wouldn't you rather confess Him as
your Lord and Savior and bow now?
Jesus is Lord and He doesn't condone homosexuality, cross-dressing or
trans-gender one bit! In fact, He says this about Himself..."Do not
think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets...I am the
fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Not one jot and not one tittle
will pass away from the law and prophets...My Word will never pass
away."
What a slap in the face to your Creator to claim otherwise. He didn't
make a mistake making you a woman, and He will never change His mind
about judging these sins as abominable.
The Truth is the Truth, and He never changes!  Praise You, Lord Jesus!
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| You may be surprised but I wonder if Cly was born male and has become a female |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| clytemnestra wrote: | | richard.a wrote: | | I
believe your question shows that you don't read what others post, and
merely keep shouting "hate, hate, hate", clytemnestra. Please explain
why this appears to be the case. |
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As usual, you have not answered what you were asked. I wonder if you
are a bot that is programmed to pick up specific words and then spew
out a diatribe of stuff designed to make others feel bad.
| clytemnestra wrote: | | Speech
is only "hateful" when it is UNTRUE. "Wives, submit to your husbands"
is Baptist doctrine that they reconfirmed at their convention as
recently as last year. Their own words condemn them, not me. |
Try telling that to the two pastors in Melbourne who conducted a
seminar about Islam, and then got booked by the thought police because
plants from the Muslim Council of Victoria lodged an objection that
they had been vilified. But there again, you didn't want to know about
that 2 or 3 weeks ago, either, did you?.
And submission to husbands is a biblical concept when both parties understand and apply the responsibilities.
| clytemnestra wrote: | | I
have no problem with people quoting the Bible or expressing their
religious opinions about gays. There are 130+ Christian sects in this
country and each is entitled to its views. |
Interesting how you describe Christianity as though you aren't part of
it. And by definition, by rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ's teachings
(which are not optional, for salvation, they are part of the contract
between Him and each person for who He shed His blood in agony), and
hanging on to a totally unreal woolly-headed Santa Claus figure who
smothers everybody with love, without requiring any need for individual
accountability, in my mind, you appear to be unsaved.
We would all love you to humble yourself - not before us, but
before Almighty God - and admit you need Him to forgive all of your
sins (both of commission and of omission) and rescue you from the hole
you are sunk into.
That is the state of each of us. We all ask continuously for His
help, particularly to turn our backs on things that He does not like.
| clytemnestra wrote: | | What
I do consider hateful is when people say things that are 1) misleading,
untrue or stereotype gays, and 2) these things are derogatory in
nature. This is the manner of speaking of whites in the segregated
south where blacks were casually referred to as lazy, ignorant, less
civilized, in constant need of supervision to keep their immoral
tendencies in check, and so on. |
I too dislike the fact that some people say things that are misleading,
untrue, or stereotypical (not just of homosexuals, of anybody and
anything)
You are generalising and indulging in hate speech yourself now,
because you have dared to contravene the text of that bill which you
profess to support. I do not believe all white skinned people in the
south of the USA say those things. You are standing in personal danger
by the wording of this legislation as a result of what you say.
By the way, a Christian does not ever hate another human being,
although many of us are still working through that one as well as a
bunch of other sinful attitudes. They are permitted to hate what
another person does, their behaviour, their thinking, but not the
person. So you have fallen into that trap as well.
| clytemnestra wrote: | | Lucy
has one post which almost entirely consists of one anti-gay slur after
another. She ends by saying, "get saved." What is she saying? Does she
mean that I should start spewing out the same hateful anti-gay rhetoric
that she uses? |
Actually, no. You have fallen into the trap most non-Christians do.
What she said did not refer to the individual people. It referred to
the lifestyle chosen by those people, and the reason is simply that God
does not approve of it, and neither do we (because God disapproves and
He commands our obedience there). God has called all who follow Him to
warn our neighbour. Do you remember my explanation of the naval flag
signal "You are STANDING INTO danger" ?
| clytemnestra wrote: | | People
claim to be godly. Yet when it comes to the commandment that we not
bare false witness against our neighbors, they act like this doesn't
apply when they speak about gays. Many claim to be Christian, yet when
it comes to Jesus' commandment that we love our neighbors, they pretend
that this doesn't include members of the LGBT community. |
Bearing false witness is lying. And you presented another
generalisation. I'm not interested in those other people when I'm a
sinner; I'm the one needing to get straight with God. And you too,
because you chose to enter this debate, and became involved.
Your salvation and mine, clytemnestra, are terribly important to
both of us. "narrow is the way" after all - the straight, popular way
leads to destruction - even if you have accepted Jesus at some time,
and then decide to "do it my way" as Frank Sinatra sang.
And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
If any of us were to pat you on your head and say "there, there,
keep doing what you are doing, God is a Father Christmas figure who
when he meets you will give you a great big hug and say 'all is
forgiven' " we would be lying.
Now is the time for repentance by you - and forgiveness by Him
It won't be available later. Wake up to what Jesus and the apostles
taught in the New Testament, and what the prophets taught in the Old.
| Quote: | NKJV Hebrews 3
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
NIV Hebrews 3
12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
15 As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."
16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert?
18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed ?
19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief. |
| Quote: | | I'd
be more concerned with the general public's perceptions, rather than
any action by the police. I see Fred Phelps and his clan will be
protesting at Jerry Falwell's funeral. Apparently he wasn't anti-gay
enough to suit them. |
What does that have to do with the price of eggs? Mr. Falwell I have heard of, but not Mr. Phelps.
I asked you this, as have several others, and you still fail to answer... | Quote: | | Now
I have a question - which I doubt if you are likely to answer, because
to date you haven't answered any direct questions asked by anybody. |
| clytemnestra wrote: | | As I've previously mentioned, we belong to the United Methodist Church UMC.org.
Open Minds, Open Hearts, Open Doors. We also join our friends, gay and
straight, at the near-by Lutheran Church for special activities. |
I suspect you may have stated that in another thread, although if it was here and I missed it, I'm sorry.
The UMC appears, from the reading I have done, to have a wide spread
between evangelical and the non-evangelical (liberal) viewpoint. It
also has a history of schisms and mergers for a number of non-biblical
as well as biblical reasons. However, thank you for explaining that's
where you worship.
A similar denomination exists in Australia, and there is
considerable difficulty therein for the evangelical (bible-believing)
adherents vs the other adherents, who are also extremely
liberal-minded.
| clytemnestra wrote: | | I
read the New International Version of the Bible (red letter edition)
that my parents give me when I was in Sunday School. I also refer to
the KJV at times. |
Thanks, that sets my mind a bit at rest.
The Oxford Annotated Bible 3rd Edition, which uses the most recent
revision of the RSV - the NRSV - has a new board of scholars whose
translating appear to be "different" as well as their identities to not
be known to those familiar with these projects, from what I've read. It
appears that the translation may have been done to present the MCC with
a set of scriptures that refutes the verses which refer to homosexual
behaviour.
| Quote: | A quote from the publishers of the NOAB/NRSV
This third edition of the classic New Oxford Annotated Bible
represents not only a revision of a classic textbook and biblical
reference work for the general reader, but nearly an entirely new book.
In planning for the third edition, the Oxford University Press staff
saw the need to update the introductions, annotations, and essays to
bring in a new generation of scholars, with new insights and
interpretations, to augment the classic "Annotated" bottom-of-the-page
commentary. |
| Quote: | A Message from Rev. Troy D. Perry Founder and Moderator, Metropolitan Community Churches, April 18, 2002
Imagine the joy I felt when I recently opened a package from a scholar,
educator and friend to find a copy of The New Oxford Annotated Bible,
Third Edition -- along with a hand-written inscription that read,
'Thanks for your life and ministry which have helped to shape the
scholarship of this edition. May God continue to bless you and UFMCC in
your quest for truth."
All-in-all, the world renowned biblical scholars who prepared The
New Oxford Annotated Bible have adopted a great deal of MCC's own
scholarship and theology: THERE IS NO BIBLICAL CONDEMNATION OF
HOMOSEXUALITY -- ONLY PROHIBITIONS AGAINST ITS MISUSE, JUST AS THERE IS
NO BIBLICAL BLANKET CONDEMNATION OF HETEROSEXUALITY, ONLY PROHIBITIONS
AGAINST MISUSE OF THAT GIFT" (Emphasis there is mine -- RA) |
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makes it clear that the newly coined term "homosexualtiy" refers to
behavior, not feelings. That's an important distinction to make. I'm
not familiar with the NRSV. Does it make this distinction between
feelings and behaviors as well? |
Ummm historically, you are up a wattle there, my dear. The word homosexual
needs a knowledge of the classics to understand its root derivation.
Therefore it cannot be "new". Indeed I was aware of its existence from
the age of about 7 - just after the war, in the UK - whereas the
euphemism "gay" didn't come into the English language until maybe the
1950s, although the Oxford Dictionary says it was used that way as "in-speak" by homosexuals.
You may have heard of Oscar Wilde. He was tried on a number of charges
of public indecency in (from memory) Hyde Park in London, between the
wars, and the word homosexual was used in the newspaper accounts. Its derivation suggest same-sex, as opposed to heterosexual which means of opposite sex.
The understanding of classics is not taught these days, so the
differences between two similar words, differently accented, one
meaning "same" and the other meaning "man" is bound to cause confusion.
I suggest you look up the Oxford Dictionary to get a better
understanding.
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From a May 10-13, 2007 Gallup pole:
| Quote: | | PRINCETON,
NJ -- A substantial majority of the American public favors the
expansion of federal hate crime legislation to include crimes against
people based on their gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity.
The U.S. House of Representatives has passed such legislation, which is
now being considered by the Senate. Republicans, conservatives, and
religious Americans are slightly less likely than others to favor the
expansion of hate crime legislation, but a majority of those in each of
these conservative and religious groups favors the proposed legislation. |
In favor 78%
Opposed: 18%
No opinion: 4%
People aren't buying the idea that this will inhibit speech in any way. A crime has to have taken place before this hate crime legislation takes effect. There's no crime in expressing your opinion. |
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Let's try another tack for cly and those like them, who are a little slow at learning.
Here's another quote from the gospels, a real beauty, showing what John the Baptist said is required of someone who supposedly changes his/her heart and ways, to follow Christ.
It is from the Living Bible (not the New Living Bible) which is a paraphrase rather than a translation...
| Quote: | Luke 3:7-8, Living Bible
Here is a sample of John's preaching to the crowds that came for baptism;
"You brood of snakes! You are trying to escape hell without truly turning to God! That is why you want to be baptised!
First, go and prove by the way you live that you really have repented.
And don't think you are safe because you are descendants of Abraham" |
So there you go; none can now say they didn't know, and that I was inventing a way to "buy" salvation.
It is not paying for salvation, it is each of us accepting salvation
genuinely (without pretence) and duplicity, and making sure that our
light is shining before men (and women) that they may glorify our
Father in Heaven for the changes they can now see in us as we take one
step at a time.
As the writer to Hebrews wrote "Let us, therefore, go on unto perfection..."
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Poll results |
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| clytemnestra wrote: | From a May 10-13, 2007 Gallup pole:
In favor 78%
Opposed: 18%
No opinion: 4%
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Actually that is absolutely meaningless. And you know it is.
Polls are never accurate, nobody ever discovers how they did the selection process, and they are never audited.
Just read the word we have all been posting in the hopes that you
may eventually realise you've been misled about the airy fairy
lovey-dovey type of gospel without any responsibility.
Good night. Please troll less.
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