When Preaching Becomes a ‘Hate Crime’

[Lucy W. Roberts]

Cly...you need to take this into account...and actually, you do not have to be afraid to read God's Word open-heartedly. He has given His Word to you. You can actually read it without fear.

You say you read the NIV and KJV and that you also go to some methodist denomination that says it is "okay" for you to be living in this lifestyle. But your lifestyle, your "be-living" your "believing" is based on lies from the one who does hate your soul, and you are on the road that leads to an open grave, open rebellion to God, His creating you a woman and His Word to you to get "right" with Him and get your life "straight"...spoken in:

Genesis18:20 And the LORD said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,
19:24 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens.
19:28 Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood [shall be] upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so [are] an abomination to the LORD your God."

Mark 6:11 And *whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"

Romans1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, [b]who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [fn4] unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
(Now, Cly, doesn't this sound like that group who wanted to have homosexual sex with the angels!? And don't you NOT want to go there!?)

1 Corinthians 9:6 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.[u] 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.---Get truly saved and washed, Cly

2 Peter 2:24 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)-- [u]9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.

Revelations 22:12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

You can see that I painstakingly repost all of these Scriptures to you in hopes that out of the "belief you say you do have in God, that you will see that your Father God in heaven has made no room for swavering and no ifs, and or buts...you are being loved, cared for and reached out to by these Scripture verses that God has given. He is not a man that He should lie, nor the son of man that He would give false witness like this "denomination" is giving you of His spoken Word.

The final warning in Revelation is that you not leave out nor teach others any altered "doctrine" but that the whole book, the entire account is God's Word to you.

I am praying for you to get it!
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Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn; the justice of your cause like the noonday sun!
No weapon formed against us shall prosper.

[clytemnestra]

I feel so sad for you, Lucy. What good does it do you to quote all these scritures, if you lack compassion for others? Isn't this the question that Jesus had for the Pharisees of His day?

I hope you don't end up like those described here: Matthew 7:

[anthony]

The whole point of this subject is make us realise that soon we can be arrested in our pulpits for saying that our friend Cly and her so called "gay" friends are wrong,up the creek without a paddle,without hope,condemned,lost,etc.Casual Christianity that accepts the whole bunch will succeed even more .As for me and mine we will serve the Lord in the nick if neccessary.A plea for back on subject please.
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Remain a blessing dear ones .tony

[Yagudin]

[anthony]

You are correct,thanks.
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Remain a blessing dear ones .tony

[Lucy W. Roberts]

Cly, your syrupy-sweet hypocrisy doesn't work on me...

One day, whether in heaven or in hell, you will realize that my posting these Scriptures for you is compassion, and plenty of it!

The reason you don't see compassion in this post is probably the same reason you can use Jesus and gay rights in the same sentence.

Aren't you tired of those deceptive "blinders" you have on?

You don't have to follow the dictates of this spirit and continue in deceived perversion. You say you don't like submission, and I believe that you don't. So why are you submitting your life and future to this spirit of lawlessness/rebellion/perversion?

In other words, you are obeying the dictates of this evil spirit within you...especially "on" this topic...

We are not hateful...we are faithful to our God and His Word...you are not.
We are not prejudiced...we are loyal to our Father in Heaven...you aren't.
We are not committing 'hate crimes'...we are reaching out to save you and others...if they feel depressed and guilty because they are in sin...oh well, you get the oppression you bargain for when you invite and allow this spirit to remain within you...when you invite "short-term" satisfaction over "long-term" obedience/humility/completion in Jesus/rewards in Heaven.

I would think that by now you would be sick and tired of obeying this lawless demon and being a slave to it! Especially in the form of 'claiming' you have Jesus, Holy Spirit of Truth, and having to 'act' like you do...being so "sweet" to us in your posts...aren't you tired of lying to yourself and us? Manifest yourself rightly, then repent and be saved!
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If God is for us who can be against us?
Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn; the justice of your cause like the noonday sun!
No weapon formed against us shall prosper.

[showlove]

[Lucy W. Roberts]

True, true...


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Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn; the justice of your cause like the noonday sun!
No weapon formed against us shall prosper.

[richard.a]

There is a saying that someone far wiser than I once coined. It refers to those who have to have the last word. In its simplicity it is a way to describe the situation where someone goes on and on and on, like a troll in real life.

"You may have won the battle, but you have not won the war"

I make this point because clytemnestra will, with their egotistical attitude, always consider they have won a stupid debate such as this when they have nobody else respond to them.

They will rub their hands with glee because "they have won".

Won the war, yes, but not the battle. We are in escalating times of unbelief, and that unbelief is rampant within the church, within what many euphemistically call the Body of Christ. They aren't actually numbered among the true body, because of their unbelief.

Jesus Himself said that the cancer would spread from within the church, while He also said there would be a remnant that would remain faithful.

In His wisdom, He also instructed His disciples to wipe the dirt off their sandals when encountering people like this, because the enemy is very competent at getting the true believers to waste their time, a very precious commodity.

Jesus will win in the final analysis. He does not need us to do more than follow His instructions, which does not include beating our heads against brick walls. Apollos planted, Paul watered, and the Holy Spirit brought the increase. We don't have to figure in more than one of those steps. Let us now move on to more time productive pursuits like converting those who really want to hear the gospel, and actually apply it in their lives

Let us remember that there will always be those who are so stiffnecked that they will never hear (and that word means far more than just listen, it means take in and understand and apply) the word of God.

Just like Jesus' comments about "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always."

This is from Matt 26:11, slightly out of context, but the context can be stretched to fit this scenario.

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that these forums - because the owners make absolutely no attempt to moderate anything - are actually supporting the enemy of Christianity by permitting time wasting with trolls to occur. Harsh words? No, I have asked in bold and even enlarged typeface for moderation, and those requests were ignored, three times.

We are being played with by the agents of the devil, my friends. I encourage you to cease feeding this troll, please.

Those of you who actually would like to discuss this (or any other) topic in real time are welcome to join one of the chatrooms with which I'm associated, details in my signature. Chat rooms of the Christian variety also have trolls and unbelievers, but they will usually be kept in check.

I've taken the opportunity to save all twelve pages as a demonstrated example of what happens when the oversight of a forum doesn't ensure that everything is done "in order" as the apostle says.

Sad, clytemnestra. With your arrogant "having to be right", I sincerely doubt that when suddenly, at the moment you least expect, you leave this mortal coil, you will change your mind.

It is this type of attitude about which the psuedo-Christian cults laugh at us Christians, when the expression "death-bed conversion" is used. Yes, they do happen. But sadly, when you look at man's presumption of his or her rights, it is perhaps less frequent than one would hope for.

Richard Ashton
Adelaide, South Australia
retired IT person in his seventies
an ex-Mormon from many years ago, with pastoral responsibilities over a number of years, who has known the real Jesus since 1986
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[showlove]

I agree, but only to point.

I am loathe to ban voices of dissent, including Cly's.

Anyone who remains civil should be allowed to voice their opinions even when they differ fromthe majority.

I respect people who will stand up for what they believe. Even Cly.

I do not need a committee of yes people to affirm my beliefs. Apparently neither does Cly.

[Yagudin]

The thing is showlove, we are not talking about banning voices of dissent. We are talking about discussions that keep going off topic. The title of this thread is When preaching becomes a hate crime. Where is this discussion?

I must admit that I started to get frustrated earlier in the year when several discussions kept coming down to how wrong it was for Christians to be fighting for their rights, and how it almost seemed like we were the problem. Now it seems like discussion after discussion keeps coming down to one or two saying homosexuality is OK and others saying from a biblical standpoint why it isn't. If that is what you want, fair enough, but I won't be sticking around to see it happen.

[clytemnestra]

[TransformingWord]

I like what the Lord showed me this morning in his word...he told couples...WIVES SUBMIT TO YOUR HUSBANDS...NOT WIVES SUBMIT TO YOUR WIVES OR HUSBANDS SUBMIT TO YOUR HUSBANDS.

IN THE ORDER OF GOD THERE ARE HUSBANDS AND WIVES.

THE WORD PARTNER OR SIGNIFICANT OTHER CAME FROM THE FORNICATOR OR HOMOSEXUAL SUBTITUTING MAN AND WOMAN.

I like how the Lord showed something that the gay community used as a gay affirming scripture concerning David and Jonathan it says they become one in spirit.

But notice when God talks about a man and woman he says they become one in FLESH.

One in spirit is a covenant an agreement for brotherhood. Just as a church gathers in one spirit to Worship God. Lets stick to the facts and stop making up theories to support our sexual sins. Science calls it sexuality the bible calls it sin.
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[richard.a]

A Wedding Parable
(from a set of study notes I have)

His wife has made herself ready. Rev. 19:7c
Being ready, prepared for the most glorious marriage of time and eternity, is vital.

The attitudes displayed in the parable of the kingdom of heaven and the marriage prepared by the king for his son, illustrate for us attitudes found in the church of today. Mt. 22:2

A parable is a story told to demonstrate a fact. This is a kingdom parable, and it is apparent that the people involved are citizens belonging to that kingdom. It is also obvious that the Lord Jesus is referring to Himself as the Bridegroom.

At the time of the wedding, the King sent forth His servants (an anointed ministry) calling those who had already been invited, for they had been ‘bidden.’ They were well aware of the impending wedding. To further alert them, the servants made personal contact with them as representatives of the King. Mt. 22:3

Their response was complete rejection and refusal to attend the wedding. They were neither concerned nor interested in the actions of the ruling family. They were not interested. Rather a dangerous attitude when dealing with a king.

A second call is then issued with a considerably urgent call for the animals had been slain and the dinner was prepared. Everything is ready, all is prepared.

This is a story of Israel rejecting the prophets whom the Lord had sent to them. Most unfortunately, the same is repeated in the modern day church.

They verbally ridiculed the wedding and its participants. At the same time, they went their own ways, doing their own thing, self centered, while seeking the riches of this world. Others, mistreated the servants even to a point of death. Mt. 22:3-4

Such uncouth and evil actions against a king can only produce a strong retribution. Because of their actions, they were visited by an army controlled by the king. The sentence of death was pronounced upon them in response to their having killed the kings servants. Their city was destroyed by fire.

This does not sound unlike the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD. Even though we live in a different time and a different age, the attitudes of mankind, even in the church have not changed.

Many disregard the voice of the Spirit and the Word by continuing to go their own way. Too often the Lord is treated as a fire escape to whom we turn in times of dire need. He is made to be simply a help in times of great need.
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[clytemnestra]