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VirtuousWoman
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| Quote: | Jerry
Falwell (may he rest in peace) agreed with the 80% + of the population
that our LGBT citizens should not be discriminated against when it
comes to housing or employment.
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Well if Jerry Falwell believed that (which I seriously doubt) I
disagree. And when I start my Christian based business, you can best
believe I won't be hiring any gays, lesbians, bi-sixuals or so-called
"transgendered" folk. There are some areas of employment where I
support not hiring LGBT citizens. Teaching positions in elementary,
junior high, and high schools for starters. And certainly not in the
medical field. Yes, I can think of a few more, but I'm sure you get the
picture.  And if I owned property, I certainly wouldn't rent or sell to gay couples.
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Bill Ware
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| VirtuousWoman wrote: | | Quote: | Jerry
Falwell (may he rest in peace) agreed with the 80% + of the population
that our LGBT citizens should not be discriminated against when it
comes to housing or employment.
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Well if Jerry Falwell believed that (which I seriously doubt) I
disagree. And when I start my Christian based business, you can best
believe I won't be hiring any gays, lesbians, bi-sixuals or so-called
"transgendered" folk. There are some areas of employment where I
support not hiring LGBT citizens. Teaching positions in elementary,
junior high, and high schools for starters. And certainly not in the
medical field. Yes, I can think of a few more, but I'm sure you get the
picture. And if I owned property, I certainly wouldn't rent or sell to gay couples.
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Cly is correct. From an interview by Tucker Carlson of MSNBC on August 6, 2005:
| Quote: | Falwell,
who in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, blamed the terrorist
attacks on “the pagans, the abortionists, and the feminists and the
gays and lesbians,” and who describes himself as “very conservative,”
told Carlson that if he were a lawyer, he too would argue for civil
rights for gays.
“I may not agree with the lifestyle,” Falwell said. “But that has
nothing to do with the civil rights of that… part of our constituency.
“Judge Roberts would probably have been not a good very good lawyer
if he had not been willing, when asked by his partners in the law firm
to assist in guaranteeing the civil rights of employment and housing to
any and all Americans.
”When Carlson countered that conservatives, “are always arguing
against ‘special rights’ for gays,” Falwell said that equal access to
housing and employment are basic rights, not special rights.
“Civil rights for all Americans, black, white, red, yellow, the
rich, poor, young, old, gay, straight, et cetera, is not a liberal or
conservative value,” Falwell went on to say. “It’s an American value
that I would think that we pretty much all agree on.” |
I own two appartment buildings and have rented to gay couples. One
lesbian couple was particularly kind to my father in his last year of
life, stopping by on the way to their afternoon shift at the Spring
City Nursing Home each day to see if there was anything he needed. I
don't know of any other tenants who did that.
Gays are overrepresented in the personal and health care professions, by the way. |
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graceresmin
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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The so-called "homosexual christian" worldview is steeped in serious idolatry.
Homosexuality is clearly sin. The Word of God is completely clear
on that. But they have created a tacit acceptance of God as long as he
accepts them and their sin -- they have created a God in their own
image.
Jesus said, "If anyone would come after me he must first deny
himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me" (Luke 9:23). It's
one thing to struggle with a sin or addiction, knowing you are a sinner
saved by grace through faith -- it's entirely another thing to embrace
sin and call it good and, worse, to declare that God calls it good.
Is it love to lie to one another? We're called to speak the truth
in love. Something that people like Cly don't understand. Truth is what
it is.
2+ 2= 4. It doesn't matter if we like that or not. It doesn't
matter if we vote and decide that it equals 5 or if we let everyone
decide for themselves. It doesn't matter that some people are offended
by our dogmatism or bigotry against all the other numbers. It still
equals four.
You can dress sin up, put a bow on its head and call it good and it still destroys.
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anthony
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant post 
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graceresmin
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Thanks for the kind words Tony.
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richard.a
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graceresmin , Amen to that. You put it very well, and thank you.
Richard
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Macy
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Yes, annointed post Grace!
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Lucy W. Roberts
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Quoting
and relying on popular opinion and secular-driven media madness is
about as stupid as letting a gang of hoodlems in your home to watch if
for you. Both lead to disaster. Relying on God is the only answer...His
Word and His Truth declared throughout all ages.
Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.
So says our Lord and Master, Jesus. Amen.
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Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your
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No weapon formed against us shall prosper. |
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clytemnestra
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | | Cly...you
need to take this into account...and actually, you do not have to be
afraid to read God's Word open-heartedly. He has given His Word to you.
You can actually read it without fear. |
You say you have read the gospels of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
So why are you afraid to follow His teachings and example when it comes
to how we treat others, including our neighbors who are lesbian and
gay?
Jesus told His followers, "Be not afraid, for I will be with you
until the end." Why are you so afraid of accepting that God loves all
His children, and salvation is there for all who believe in what Jesus
told us is true?
Paul reminds us in 1 Corinthians 13:
"13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
Let God's love fill your heart and let Jesus be your guide when it
comes to what you should do. You may be a speaker of words, but until
you understand that God's grace is available to all, you will not be a
believer as well.
cly |
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TransformingWord
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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If
you really want to get old school biblical...my bible says stone gays
and lesbians, people caught in adultery, fornicators, thiefs...but my
Savior says he delivered HOMOSEXUALS, ADULTERERS, FORNICATORS, THIEFS.
So if you want to really acknowledge Jesus as your LORD AND SAVIOR then
you need to take the full benefit package GET DELIVERED. Cause you cant
really tell me its natural for another woman to lay between another
woman legs...which is demonic/paganistic forms of oral copulation nor
for another man to peform rectial copulation on another man when that's
an exit for fecal matter. Nor can you say its normal for a naturally
born woman to feel she has a man's spirit inside her nor a naturally
born male to feel he has a woman's spirit inside him. Like heaven had a
mix up in spirits.
My words to you Clym your arms are to short to box with God you
might as well pack it up and go protest with the rest of the gays in
the streets. This is one battle you cannot and will not win. Because a
person cannot be a Sinner and Christian at the same time...hell and
heaven cant live in the same house.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.
Every Word including God's instruction that homosexuality, cross dressing and transgender is abominable perversion before Him.
And that He will deliver...as Paul says..."that is what some of you WERE" before Jesus saved/healed/delivered you.
Let Him save, heal and deliver you! Ask Him to and He, Jesus, will do it.
And as Peter said...He provides a way out! He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
For My words are Spirit and they are Life. John 6:63
Be set free! We are! Glory to God in the Highest! Your redeeming and
saving power is great, O Lord! You are great and worthy to be praised,
Lord God our Savior! Thank You, Holy One, for Your mercy and grace and
favor!
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Make the Lord your trust and He will do this...He will make your
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No weapon formed against us shall prosper. |
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clytemnestra
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Snopes.com,
which has a reputation for debunking urban myths and other nonsense
that may appear on the internet, has this to say about a recent AFA
e-mail regarding pending hate crimes legislation:
| Quote: | Hate Crimes Prevention Act
Claim: A bill before Congress would make it a "hate crime" for pastors and churches to speak against homosexuality.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected via e-mail, June 2007]
| Quote: | A Petition To Congress In Defense Of Religious Freedom
Be one of one million Americans willing to take a stand in defense of
two of our most precious freedoms — freedom of speech and freedom of
religion. Here's why:
A California lawsuit which is now headed to the U.S. Supreme Court
would make the use of the words "natural family," "marriage" and "union
of a man and a woman" a "hate speech" crime in government workplaces.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has already ruled in favor of the
plaintiffs.
CNN and The Washington Post both reported that General Peter Pace,
former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, was fired because of his
publicly expressed moral opposition to homosexual behavior.
A bill now before Congress (H.R. 1592 / S. 1105) would criminalize
negative comments concerning homosexuality, such as calling the
practice of homosexuality a sin from the pulpit, a "hate crime"
punishable by a hefty fine and time in prison. This dangerous
legislation would take away our freedom of speech and our freedom of
religion. |
Origins: The above referenced Action Alert issued by the American
Family Association (AFA) in June 2007 warns readers that a bill
currently before Congress would "criminalize negative comments
concerning homosexuality, such as calling the practice of homosexuality
a sin from the pulpit, a 'hate crime' punishable by a hefty fine and
time in prison." This claim, as well as the Action Alert's bulleted
references to court cases, news items, and current legislation, are
gross and misleading distortions of information: |
See the snopes.com web page linked to above for the facts about the first two claims. Regarding the third item:
| Quote: | The
proposed "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007"
(H.R. 1592 / S. 1105) currently before Congress would not "criminalize
negative comments concerning homosexuality." The bill seeks to amend
Title 18, Chapter 13 of the U.S. Code by adding a section on "Hate
crime acts" that specifies criminal penalties for:
Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes
bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or
an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to
any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national
origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of
any person —
i) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and
(ii) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if —
(I) death results from the offense; or
(II) the offense includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap,
aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual
abuse, or an attempt to kill.
The bill addresses "willfully causing bodily injury to any person"
(as well as "attempts to cause bodily injury to any person") because of
"actual or perceived ... gender, sexual orientation, [or] gender
identity." The bill does not "criminalize negative comments concerning
homosexuality," nor would it make "calling the practice of
homosexuality a sin from the pulpit a 'hate crime'." The bill has
nothing to do with the issue of speech; it only prescribes criminal
penalties for the willful infliction of bodily injury on others. In
fact, the version of the bill passed by the House of Representatives on
3 May 2007 includes a clause that specifically precludes it from
applying to conduct protected by the free speech and free exercise of
religion provisions of the Constitution:
| Quote: | | Nothing
in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to
prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or
any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses
of, the First Amendment to the Constitution. |
Last updated: 18 June 2007 |
This misinformation presented by the AFA is similar to that provided
here in the original post. Only if you proceed to kick the crap out of
someone yelling, "Die, fag, die," or something like that, would you be
subject to this hate crimes legislation.
Lying about gays or lying about gay friendly legislation is not appropriate for those who call themselves Christian.
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anthony
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Two
posts removed when i realised that it was me who said that we should
not give you the oxygen of arguement.Welcome, back hope you are well.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Your
hate crimes against Christians and God is what marks you! Not us! You
feel "hatred" that is generated within by your own rebellious deceit.
Jesus says it best, in Proverbs 8..."All who hate Me love death."
He is the Word and the Truth and the Life, as He says, "My words to you are Spirit and they are Life." (John 6:63)
Including His Word to you that homosexuality, transgender and
cross-dressing are all ABOMINATION/hateful to Him! You are hating God
by your behavior. You reap what you sow. No wonder you feel hated! 
But you don't have to remain in this condition! You can ask Jesus into
your heart to become Lord of your life and let Him cleanse you with His
precious blood and make you "new"! He is faithful, and if you humble
yourself and repent to Him for hating Him, His Kingdom and His Word to
you, He will forgive you and cleanse you and set you on a right path in
Him!
Pro 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with ALL
your heart, and lean not on your own understanding...but in ALL your
ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight!
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Bill Ware
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | | Including
His Word to you that homosexuality, transgender and cross-dressing are
all ABOMINATION/hateful to Him! You are hating God by your behavior.
You reap what you sow. No wonder you feel hated! |
Please provide the chapter and verse in the gospels where Jesus said
any such thing. You make up stuff to support you own prejudices which
has no basis in Jesus' gospel teachings.
As long as you ignore Jesus' teachings in regard to how we treat
others and instead support the devil's attempt to divide us over our
differences, those of us who do follow Christ's teachings have every
right to comdemn what you say. |
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