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| Bill Ware wrote: | | Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | Including
His Word to you that homosexuality, transgender and cross-dressing are
all ABOMINATION/hateful to Him! You are hating God by your behavior.
You reap what you sow. No wonder you feel hated!  |
Please provide the chapter and verse in the gospels where Jesus said
any such thing. You make up stuff to support you own prejudices which
has no basis in Jesus' gospel teachings.
As long as you ignore Jesus' teachings in regard to how we treat
others and instead support the devil's attempt to divide us over our
differences, those of us who do follow Christ's teachings have every
right to comdemn what you say. |
Here we go again...... round and round the merry go round. Mr Ware where have you been on a long vacation ????/
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Lucy W. Roberts
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Right,
right, very monotonous, but they keep using this site to post their
political propaganda garbage...I've already provided chapter and verse,
but Bill and Cly are both 'using' this system to propagate their
"message" of the ways of the world, political correctedness,
secularism, while trying to claim that they are Christians when they
most certainly are not!
And here is the Chapter and verse again...let's see if they ignore Jesus' Words to them again...
Mat 10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, it
will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of
judgment than for that city!
Mat 11:22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
Mat 11:24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you."
Mar 6:11 And *whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you
depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony
against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for
Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
Luk 10:12 But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.
Luk 10:14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you.
Jesus is quoted over and over again as speaking to the Truth that Sodom
and Gomorrah are still and have been and will be under His judgment...
Read it and weep and repent and obey the Lord and Master of all!
Turn to Him and be saved, you and all of the ends of the earth! Amen.
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richard.a
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atta
girl, Lucy. Would have thought this thread would have died weeks ago.
But checking posting dates, seems like clytemnestra has again decided
to have their own way.
I do hope they wake up before it's too late. But there ya go, if you employ salad bar theology (pick and choose which bits are to your personal taste) or container theology
(the bible isn't the word of God, it merely contains the word of God,
here and there, the rest being lies) then you can be all things to all
men I guess.
Wonder if they raise children to ignore the concept of obedience.
If so, one then has to wonder if the number of deaths of toddlers
running out into the road "doing their own thing" - and being hit by
trucks as a result - could be drastically reduced by educating the
adults? The answer is "no" because they've been indoctrinated in this
"free spirit" thing.
Take this to its illogical conclusion, why bother to specify which
side of the road to drive on? Life is meant for us to enjoy regardless,
let's do our own thing and challenge everyone else who might have a
reason to avoid any particular activity you like to shout from the
rooftops.
Off topic? No, the thread was hijacked when it first started, and
they have merely taken advantage of there being no moderation to peddle
their unbiblical doctrines.
In a Christian site like this, one would have thought that there
would be some accountability, but no. Unfortunately they have removed
the button present on most phpBB boards which allows posts to be
reported to the mods. Why?
Now if this was IRC, you could type /ignore nickname if a mod was sleeping, and you'd never be bothered with them again 
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Lucy W. Roberts
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I
thought about that, Richard.a, asking for an ability to ignore a
certain poster, but then how could we reach them with the Gospel of
Truth!?
Blessings! 
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richard.a
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I don't normally post in quick succession.
I have just seen an email that was "hiding", and I shall quote it verbatim, attributing its source to the Festival of Light
- an Australia-wide organisation that has been helping other countries
understand the folly of legislation such as that to which this thread
refers. Capitalisation is mine, as by choice my email service reads
plain text only without formatting (the original concept of email).
Please read on...
| Quote: | -------- Original Message --------
Subject: After five years - good news!
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:49:08 +0930
From: Roslyn Phillips <rhp@fol.org.au>
Good news! 24 June 2007
Dear Friends,
For some South Aussies, this will be my ninth prayer email in two weeks - please forgive me for straining your in-boxes!
But I wanted to convey the good news that the religious
vilification complaint against pastors Daniel Scot and Danny Nalliah
has finally been settled.
The two Daniels and the Islamic Council of Victoria (ICV) "agreed
to disagree" on Friday (22 June 2007) at a mediation session held by
the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) in Melbourne.
A VCAT media release issued that afternoon said (in part):
| Quote: | "Notwithstanding
their differing views about the merits of the complaint made by the
ICV, each of the ICV, Catch The Fire Ministries, Pastor Scot and Pastor
Nalliah affirm and recognise the following:
1) the dignity and worth of every human being, irrespective of their religious faith, or the absence of religious faith;
2) the rights of each other, their communities, and all persons, to
adhere to and express their own religious beliefs and to conduct their
lives consistently with those beliefs;
3) the rights of each other, their communities and all persons,
within the limits provided for by law, to robustly debate religion,
including the right to criticise the religious belief of another, in a
free, open and democratic society;
4) the value of friendship, respect and co-operation between Christians, Muslims and all people of other faiths; and
5) the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act forms part of the law of
Victoria to which the rights referred to in paragraph 3 above are
subject." |
The settlement marks an end to over five years of litigation involving
enormous legal costs of many hundreds of thousands of dollars.
We praise the Lord that the stress is over for the two pastors, who
have experienced threats against their own lives and those of their
loved ones. They have fought long and courageously for the right to
tell the truth about another belief system.
But has the settlement solved anything?
It has not given Victorians the right
to tell the truth about another religion, because the Victorian Supreme
Court ruled on 14 December 2006 that truth is no defence to
vilification complaints under the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.
The complaint was finally settled only because the Supreme Court found
that although the pastors had criticised some verses in the Quran, they
had also urged their listeners to love rather than hate Muslims - to
help and befriend them, and to win them to Christ.
The latter teaching would not have pleased the Islamic Council of
Victoria however. Muslims who become Christians are considered guilty
of apostasy - a crime punishable by death in some Muslim areas. It is
no wonder that, despite settlement, the two sides still do not agree.
Indeed - if the case has proved
anything, it is the dismal failure of Victoria's Racial and Religious
Tolerance Act to produce the community harmony it was supposed to
foster. This law is an ass, and should be repealed.
Has the pastors' five year battle been worth it?
Indeed it has. The injustice they
experienced has been a wake-up call for other nations and Australian
states where governments have wanted to implement anti-vilification
laws with wording similar to the one in Victoria.
I was privileged to accompany Pastor Daniel Scot to the UK in February
2005, where we spoke to MPs in meetings at the House of Commons and the
House of Lords. A leading peer stood and said he had been inclined to
support the Blair government's law to prohibit the incitement of
religious hatred - but after hearing our presentation he had changed
his mind and would oppose it. When the presentation finished, the peers
applauded - something Baroness Cox, who chaired the meeting, said peers
almost never do.
Opposition from the House of Lords meant that the Blair government
dropped the contentious legislation - only to re-introduce it after the
May 2005 election. In an incredible series of events reported in one of
my previous emails, the new bill was severely amended in 2006 to
protect free speech.
Religious vilification legislation in SA, WA and NSW was rejected
as a result of the Victorian litigation against the two Daniels, who
have also spoken in the USA against similar moves there. We owe Daniel
Scot and Danny Nalliah a great debt of gratitude.
But the battle is not yet over.
The SA government has introduced a bill prohibiting vilification - not
on the ground of religion, but of sexuality and marital status,
potentially leading to an effective ban on Bible teaching on these
issues. The WA government is considering a report which makes similar
recommendations. Christian groups in Queensland have suffered from
unjust complaints against them under a similar law there.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
God bless!
ROS
Mrs Roslyn Phillips, B Sc Dip Ed
National Research Officer, Festival of Light Australia
Phone 1300 365 965
Email rhp@fol.org.au Website www.fol.org.au
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God bless those dear people!
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richard.a
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Lucy
I didn't want to do what some might see as "self-promotion" but I felt
understanding how our two chat rooms work might help...
| Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | I
thought about that, Richard.a, asking for an ability to ignore a
certain poster, but then how could we reach them with the Gospel of
Truth!?
Blessings! |
We only recommend that action to guests who are being harassed, and are unable to cope. However it is available.
From a moderation viewpoint, we will often devoice
the person to prevent them upsetting the room, although they can still
"hear" what is going on, and then we attempt to discuss one-on-one in a
private room, or in a special channel we keep for such purposes where
several can help answer the points. This is never a ganging-up
situation, but rather it is used to genuinely strive for the soul of
the person, who often we discover has been badly misled by weak and/or
liberal leadership within the church where they worship.
We try to avoid banning them, leaving that for real trolls who upset everyone everywhere.
Our management team have all experienced various forms of teaching
and are quite good at explaining... we regard doing this as part of our
ministry, which is frequently directed to those who either don't attend
church now, or never have. We regard it as a valuable tool in gospel
ministry.
FYI In one of our rooms it looks like we had a significant
breakthrough, recently, with someone (who was living in a relationship
frowned on by God) moving out and cutting all ties with their
"partner". The person concerned was extremely knowledgeable on
scripture content, and I'm sure it was the Holy Spirit leaning on them,
really heavily, that woke them up to their persistent and insistent
disobedience.
So, praise God for that situation! And please keep praying for the regained soul!
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Bill Ware
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| Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | Quoting
and relying on popular opinion and secular-driven media madness is
about as stupid as letting a gang of hoodlems in your home to watch if
for you. Both lead to disaster. Relying on God is the only answer...His
Word and His Truth declared throughout all ages.
Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.
So says our Lord and Master, Jesus. Amen. |
I wasn't quoting some media maven, I was quoting Rev Falwells own words
to show VirtuousWoman that Rev Falwell did indeed promote equal civil
rights for gays. RTFP |
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richard.a
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What
does civil rights have to do with saying what the Bible has to say
about sin and sinners mate? You sound just as much a troll from where
I'm sitting.
This thread is about the potential for legal action being able to be taken for preaching the word of God.
I suggest you scroll back all 15 pages instead of just coming in on the last one.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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| Bill Ware wrote: | | Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | Quoting
and relying on popular opinion and secular-driven media madness is
about as stupid as letting a gang of hoodlems in your home to watch if
for you. Both lead to disaster. Relying on God is the only answer...His
Word and His Truth declared throughout all ages.
Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.
So says our Lord and Master, Jesus. Amen. |
I wasn't quoting some media maven, I was quoting Rev Falwells own words
to show VirtuousWoman that Rev Falwell did indeed promote equal civil
rights for gays. RTFP |
Unfortunately, and because of your 'flaming' ignorance, YOU are the
voice of secular, media-driven, politically correct, damned and going
to hell madness!!! (Sorry to say...)
There is only One Way, Truth and Life, and He is Jesus...you cannot come to God, eternal life, any other way!
You REFUSE? to acknowledge the Chapter and Verse you asked for, ignorant one???
And here is the Chapter and verse again...let's see if they ignore Jesus' Words to them again...
Mat 10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for
the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that
city!
Mat 11:22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
Mat 11:24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you."
Mar 6:11 And *whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you
depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony
against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for
Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
Luk 10:12 But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.
Luk 10:14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you.
Jesus is quoted over and over again as speaking to the Truth that Sodom
and Gomorrah are still and have been and will be under His judgment...
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richard.a
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That is the way I read it... as far as sins are concerned.
But for the sinner, there is hope for each of them providing they accept His terms.
To stick one's head in the sand, though, is rejecting the hand He
proffers each of us. Which in the final analysis, sadly, will result in
an eternally unpleasant experience.
God knows that His way is hard. He never said it would be easy.
But He did say He would be with us as we face the challenge of His way or the world's aka Satan's way.
I'm glad I had the gumption to accept Him, but am acutely conscious
that it is purely through His grace I am saved, and nothing to do with
any righteousness I think I might have - which as scripture tells us is
no more than filthy rags.
And I am also acutely conscious that I am still a sinner, albeit one saved by that grace of His.
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Lucy W. Roberts
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Right!
I'm talking about those who were burned up, that they were, are and
will be under judgment, and of course as long as we are in our earth
suit we have opportunity to 'get right' with our Maker, and repent...He
is Sovereign, whether we agree with that fact or not...He sent Jesus,
our Savior, to save ALL of us and He is not willing that anyone of us
be lost! (Not even Sodom and Gomorrah, but they are and ever will
be!---their choice!)
That is the point! Bill and Cly, you don't have to be lost
forever...Jesus' Words to you are sure! You would do your own soul good
to bow the knee now, repent to Him and be saved. Jesus also said that
"Anyone" who comes to Me, I will in no wise cast out!" He will make you
new! He will give you a new heart and a renewed mind to know Him...if
you will but ask Him to!
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richard.a
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I was looking for a particular book at www.persecution.com.au, the Australian website for The Voice of the Martyrs.
I was struck by this write-up of a book...
| Quote: | In the Shadow of the Cross
(by Glenn M Penner) Available
The Bible (especially the New Testament) was written by persecuted believers to persecuted believers.
This context cannot be ignored without it having profoundly negative
implications for how we read and apply the Bible and how we follow
Christ individually and corporately.
A cross-centred gospel requires cross-carrying messengers. |
You know when you realise just how much of a treasure the gospel
is, it makes you wriggle a bit with discomfort at the way in which we
"human beens" handle such a great gift as salvation.
I think, I hope, I would have the guts to face death for my faith.
I don't know, though; until such situations occur, we never know.
But I'm darned if I would consider facing death for a lifestyle.
Seriously. Unless that lifestyle included Jesus Christ, and Him alone.
By the way, I was at that website looking for a copy of a book I was lent Sunday by the Associate Pastor, called Mosque and I might describe this in the thread about the persecuted Christians in Gaza since they suddenly fell under Sharia Law.
Incidentally Sharia Law disapproves very violently over alternate sexual lifestyles. Those who wish to promote it should consider what their choice will be when Al-Mahdi rules the world. As I'm sure he will.
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| Bill Ware wrote: | | Lucy W. Roberts wrote: | | Including
His Word to you that homosexuality, transgender and cross-dressing are
all ABOMINATION/hateful to Him! You are hating God by your behavior.
You reap what you sow. No wonder you feel hated! |
Please provide the chapter and verse in the gospels where Jesus said
any such thing. You make up stuff to support you own prejudices which
has no basis in Jesus' gospel teachings.
As long as you ignore Jesus' teachings in regard to how we treat
others and instead support the devil's attempt to divide us over our
differences, those of us who do follow Christ's teachings have every
right to comdemn what you say. |
We are SUPPOSED TO BE DIVIDED over sin issues!
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against
her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own house.
1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death,
he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto
death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. |
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Lucy W. Roberts
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And here is the Chapter and verse again...let's see if they ignore Jesus' Words to them again...
Mat 10:15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the
land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!
Mat 11:22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
Mat 11:24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you."
Mar 6:11 And *whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you
depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony
against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for
Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
Luk 10:12 But I say to you that it will be more tolerable in that Day for Sodom than for that city.
Luk 10:14 But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you.
Jesus is quoted over and over again as speaking to the Truth that Sodom
and Gomorrah are still and have been and will be under His judgment...
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