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Comment - Pastors' toil and trouble

By Andrew Bolt

Wednesday, December 20, 2006 at 06:29am
 

AND so the witchhunt in Salem, Victoria, is over.  At least for now.

But it is not enough to shrug at the persecution of Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot and say justice was at least done in the end.

It's true, the Appeal Court last week overturned the convictions of these two Assemblies of God pastors for breaking the Bracks Government's vilification laws at a seminar on Islam in 2002.

But the hunting down of these men by zealots, convinced we're seething with racists, has cost them plenty.

"It's been 4 1/2 years of carrying such a weight", says Nalliah, president of the Melbourne-based Catch the Fire Ministries.

"It's been terrible. There have been calls threatening my life, threatening my children's lives . . . I felt panic. I've been stretched to the limit."

And to the financial limit, too. Despite winning their appeal, the pastors must still pay half the costs of their challenge -- around $150,000 -- and probably also a share of the costs of the original hearing in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal that first found them guilty.

Some victory. Some justice. These exhausted pastors have been harassed, threatened, denounced as bigots and flayed in the papers and on the ABC, and are now deep in debt.

And why? Because they quoted the Koran to their congregation. Because in that congregation were Muslim activists, sent by a discrimination commissar hired from a Muslim lobby group.

How preposterous, how sinister, has been this saga.

In fact, right from the passing of the Government's vilification laws, we've seen politicians and bureaucrats acting like hysterics on a hunt for witches the rest of us cannot see.

Let me describe, step by mad step, how the two pastors came to be so crucified. 

THE LAW

The Bracks Government was just new when it decided to please its pet activists by giving us laws to punish -- even jail -- people who said nasty things about others on the grounds of their race and religion.

Just why we needed laws even tougher than the ones we had already was a mystery. Victorians are famously easygoing, and there was not a single sign of racists here getting out of hand.

In March 2001, for instance, just months before the Government passed its laws, the then chairman of the Equal Opportunity Commission said: "I am not aware of any conclusive evidence that suggests that discrimination is increasing." Even the discussion paper the Government put out then admitted "documenting (racism's) extent is difficult".

But the laws' backers were so manic they were seeing racists in even our kindergartens, who might need to be treated like criminals.

I'm not exaggerating. The Uniting Church, in a booklet it published to "demonstrate why criminal sanctions are necessary", gave as an example some five-year-olds who had teased a poor Chinese boy at kindergarten by calling him "ching-chong".

Jail the tots!

WITCH-HUNTERS FUME

Pity our discrimination police. In 2001, they finally got these juicy laws to jail racists, but small problem: Victorians still refused to be rude.

Indeed, we were so nice to each other that a year later the EOC conceded just five people in the entire state had complained of any religious vilification at all in the previous 12 months. Five.

The EOC couldn't accept the obvious - that we are decent - and claimed instead that people must have been too scared to complain.

And, by heavens, it would fix that. Over the next year the EOC taught nearly 10,000 Victorians, particularly Muslims and Arabs, about the new vilification laws - and how to complain.

What's more, it hired May Helou, head of the Islamic Council of Victoria's women's support group.

Her job, the EOC said, was to ensure "Arabic and Muslim communities are aware of their rights under anti-discrimination laws" and give "support to people wishing to make a complaint".

The hounds had been set loose. Around the state were now people primed to take offence, and blast back.

GOTCHA!

In March 2002, Helou told Muslim converts at the ICV headquarters of a seminar on jihad to be run by Catch the Fire and asked them to go.

Said one later, she didn't want the meeting to be held "without any Muslims present". So when Nalliah and Scot got up to speak at their seminar about jihad, they had in front of them 250 born-again Christians - and three people they did not know were Muslims.

And back at the EOC, Helou waited for the three to call with their complaint.

THE STAKES RISE

The Government was blushing. Thanks to its new laws, a lot of harmless people were being accused of vilification by crooks, cranks and cause-pushers.

There was the Salvation Army minister who'd been dragged into the EOC to answer a claim that he'd offended a pedophile witch in Ararat jail by calling witches "satanists" in his introductory course on Christianity.

There was the Christian councillor who was sued by a nice transgender witch for warning about "covens" in the City of Casey.

And there was the well-loved columnist who'd been denounced by a former One Nation candidate in a single hand-written page for having "demeened" Anglos by being too nice to Jews and Asians.

Of course, I and the other victims all had those complaints against us dismissed, but not without cost, worry, sweat and embarrassment.

But no one was more embarrassed than the Government, whose laws had let loose this freak show.

Some of the churches were complaining the laws weren't as harmless as they'd been promised. The Government made a few small changes, but badly needed a win.

THE PASTORS BURNED

The pastors were at long last tried at VCAT before Justice Michael Higgins.

Most of the case over the weeks that followed dealt with the lecture given by Scot, and some curious things soon became clear.

First, even one of the converts had to admit that Scot, who'd been born in Pakistan and got degrees there in theology and applied mathematics, actually understood the Koran far better than did the people complaining he'd misquoted it.

Second, as I wrote at the time, many of the complaints accused Scot of no more than quoting the Koran accurately. Yes, the Koran did tell men they could beat their wives. Yes, it did have verses calling on Muslims to fight infidels until they submitted.

The verdict was also odd.

The pastors were found guilty of vilifying Muslims even though the judge identified only one thing Scot had said that was factually wrong: he'd given the wrong birthrate for Muslims here. And, the judge, added, he'd failed to quote a verse that showed Allah was merciful.

Higgins said the real problem with the seminar was that it was not "balanced", and neither Scot nor Nalliah had said clearly enough that the hard-line Islam they were talking about was, in the judge's opinion, not followed by most Muslims here.

Here's another strange thing: Scot and Nalliah were convicted of stirring up hatred - of being "hostile, demeaning and derogatory of all Muslim people" - even though they'd again and again told their congregation to love Muslims, however wrong their faith.

"We have to love them", Scot had insisted.

"Love should be not only in theory, in word, but should be shown in practice. You invite them for (a) cup of tea. You invite them for dinner, for lunch."

On he went: "Of course do not criticise their culture . . . We should not criticise their dress . . . Don't be afraid of (the) Koran . . . there are a lot of things in (the) Koran, which are very similar from (the) Bible."

What's more, there was no evidence that those listening to him were a danger to a single Muslim. The worst the judge could say of them was they'd responded "at various times in the form of laughter". Dear God - save us from the laughing Christian.

So, this is the kind of dangerous hate-preaching that had the pastors convicted under our new laws, and sentenced to apologise in expensive advertisements in the Herald Sun and Age.

And that was odd, too. Why did the pastors have to apologise to 2.5 million Victorians for comments they made to just 250? Why did the judge also ban them from repeating any of their claims from the lecture, no matter how truthful, in any state?

Mad, you say? Welcome to witch-hunting in Victoria.

PASTORS "WIN"

Be grateful that at least some Court of Appeal judges saw this much as I did.

On Thursday, a panel of three of them overturned the verdict, criticised the sentence and ordered a new hearing by VCAT with a different judge.

It's a confused ruling in that the judges disagree with each other over many things. But the longest, sanest and clearest findings are those of Justice Geoffrey Nettle.

His many objections to the way the pastors had been dealt with by VCAT makes me wonder just what was in the fevered air of Justice Higgins's court back then.

According to Nettle, the biggest mistake Higgins made was to confuse an attack on a man's faith with an attack on the man himself. As he put it: "It is essential to keep the distinction between the hatred of beliefs and the hatred of their adherents steadily in view".

But Nettle also criticised Higgins for having brushed aside Scot's many exhortations to love Muslims, and for poring over Koranic verses to decide whether Scot's view of Islam was "balanced".

"Who is to say what is accurate or balanced about religious beliefs?", Nettle rightly asked.

But most astonishing were all the errors Nettle said Higgins had made in summing up the 19 different ways Scot had vilified Islam.

In fact, he said, Scot did not say Muslims were demons who thought it good to kill and planned to take over Australia.

And of the 19 examples Higgins had given of Scot preaching hate, Nettle found he'd misquoted Scot nine times and taken him out of context another nine.

In 15 cases, Scot had simply been quoting scripture or other sources. According to Nettle, Scot had been wrong only twice - in giving a wrong birthrate and misinterpreting a Koranic verse telling men they could take women captured in war.

And for this Scot and Nalliah have had to endure a legal torment that has lasted for more than four years, and is still not finished.

BACKFIRE

So that worked well, didn't it? See what these laws to curb religious and racial tension have actually achieved.

Christians have been pitted against Muslims, and witches against Christians. Tensions were so high during the Catch the Fire case that scuffles broke out on the courtroom steps and the pastors took along guards.

And guess what? In the five years we've had these insane laws against free speech, not a single true racist has been convicted. What a dreadful farce.

 

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Posted by Rex of NSW on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 07:10pm

It seems to me (not being a Victorian) that VCAT, along with all 'anti-discrimination' bodies, is a politically motivated, anti-Australian, anti-Anglo, anti-Christian kangaroo court. Higgins was given a job to do by his political masters and he did it. It is good that superior courts still have some semblance of independence from political motivations, but for how long is anyone's guess.
I've already given a donation to the Danny's. Thanks for reminding me to give another.

Posted by Random Number Generator on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 07:31pm

Sammer, Yilli and Hakan all appear disgruntled that the vilification laws of Brax & Co. have failed to silence the two pastors in their teaching and preaching of the great prophet Jesus Christ's message of faith, love, and hope, which includes repentance, mercy and forgiveness of sins.
What does this say about the religion of Islam?
angry
Do the Koranic verses and Sharia carry this message of the love of Jesus?
I am afraid that it does not!
sick
There is no peace for the wicked,
says the LORD. hmmm

Posted by Leigh of Wellington on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 07:35pm

To Yilli: The Bible does not condone prostitution so your point?
The problem for any of your comparison arguments is that Jesus came before Mohammad so Jesus and his teachings are the appropriate benchmark for debating Christianity with Islam and its prophet. That is what the two Dannys may well examine in the future.

Posted by Queensland Infidel on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 08:13pm

Andrew its impossible to argue with your logic and research. The Victorian legislation is useless to all but Muslims. Think of it, who could say anything genuinely critical of Christianity. The call to love even enemies, do unto others etc, is a benefit to any human society.
Against this we have the prescribed hatred of Jews and Christians, the severing of limbs, the endorsement of slavery and multiple wives, bashing of wives, inequality of women, killing those who leave Islam, honour killings, cruelty to animals and the list goes on.
Australians have lived with those of other faiths, but Islam is incompatible with western civilization. If we point out the horrors of its religious texts we are run before a court of Law.
It is time to draw this awful religion out into the light for all to see and make up their own minds about its value.

Posted by acs of brisbane on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 09:20pm

Yilli,

"All I was doing is questioning there sermons and the methods they use to convert people."

You mean inviting Muslims for a cup of tea?

Posted by Rodney of Amaroo ACT on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 09:32pm

All this postulation reminds me of a Rohan Atkinson skit called 'Welcome to Hell' where the devil makes the following statement to all who are present, including the Christians who have inexplicably wound up in eternal damnation...'The Jews were right'.

Posted by ICA of Montrose on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 11:10pm

An open question to Steve Bracks and Rob Hulls, and indeed to anyone who thinks that they have an answer:

"Please identify one benefit that the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act has brought to the State of Victoria?"

Posted by John Dawson of McKinnon on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 11:37pm

Without wanting to downplay the fantastic job Andrew has done on this issue, or the many pertinent points canvassed above, I think the most fundamental and important issue involved has been overshadowed.

The Pastors' belated "victory" in the High Court was no victory for free speech!  Their convictions were overturned because it was farcical to suggest that what they said was vilification. In other words, it was found that they did not say anything offensive enough to encourage racial or religious prejudice ridicule or hatred. This implies that if they had said anything that offencive, their convictions would have been upheld.

But the concept of free speech is exactly the freedom to be offensive! If all freedom of speech meant was the freedom to say non-offensive things, then there was freedom of speech in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and during the Spanish Inquisition - everyone was free in those societies to say anything they liked, as long as they did not offend the powers that be or encourage prejudice or ridicule or hatred against their ideologies.

If our freedom of speech has been reduced to the freedom to say anything we like, unless it offends somebody on religious or racial grounds, then we have no freedom of speech left.

The proper approach to vilification is to argue against it, or to walk away.  In extreme cases, you can start a campaign of moral outrage.  But what you have no right to do is to use force, be it illegal terrorism, or legal vilification laws. Both are on the rise in our once 'young and free' land.

The only proper exceptions to the freedom to say anything one likes, nice or nasty, about anyone, are incitement to violence and defamation (or libel or slander) and fraud.  At root these apparent exceptions are not about speech, but about violence (that would result from the incitement) and theft (of the value of the defamed ones reputation or the defrauded ones property).

The anti-vilification laws should be scrapped because they are a farce.  But more fundamentally, they should be scrapped because even if they were applied against real vilification they would still be dead wrong.

Posted by John of Cannington on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 12:14am

Andrew - Its great someone is prepared to show these ridiculous laws for what they are.  Absolutely ludicrous that the libvs haven't used the opportunity to announce they will remove them..... 

what you sow you reap....  The labour party will reap its own chaos from the mess it has created for honourable people simply expressing a personal opinion.  The key is always criticize the action (or in this case the belief) not the person.  Real discrimination is to judge a person as being vindicative and hateful when they only express an opinion.  The real discriminiatory people here are the EOC who have discriminated against these two men.
How about teh Federal Govt pitch in to take the Vic Govt - including Bracks and his EOC Commissioner to a Victorian court for this blatantly dicriminatory action!!

Posted by PeterD of Wellington NZ on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 06:42am

Sammer,
You could quote any verse from the Bible in this blog or at a public meeting in any context you wanted and you wouldn't be prosecuted. If you were prosecuted the same people you're debating with on this blog would be shouting out your rights against this law. That's what it's about, not "my religion is better than your religion".

Posted by Rosemary of Queensland on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 07:51am

I hope that one day the State of Victoria will see those horrible laws being overthrown.

Posted by John of Sydney on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 08:43am

Yilli,

I haven't got an answer to my earlier question yet. May I respectfully ask any of the muslim bloggists to prove with facts that islam is a peaceful religion?

This lies at the heart of this anti-vilification case. That is, it seems that only moslems will profit from these 'laws', but the nature of Christians is to turn the other cheek, forgive and love our enemies. Therefore it is against a Christians nature to go to court if a moslem says anything against Jesus. (But just look what happens when anyone says anything against mohammed...)

Posted by acs of brisbane on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 10:26am

The absolute irony is this whole Danny's case is that, in forcing these Pastors to trial, the ICV has ensured that thousands more around Victoria, Australia, and indeed the world, have now read Daniel Scot's speech (which mainly quotes the Quran)than the intended 250 people.

Posted by jdalton on Thu 21 Dec 06 at 05:18pm

So Andrew, protestant pastors calling for violence against Muslims is ok by you? You seem to be ignorant of the facts. You write that the 2 pastors got in trouble because: "Because they quoted the Koran to their congregation."

Actually, it was a series of publically advertised meetings, and hundreds of pastors were there. Many were very alarmed to see other pastors respond to the seminar by waving their fists and calling for jihad against Muslims!

The fact is that the 2 pastors said to "love Muslims" just a *few* times, but *frequently* accused all Muslims in Australia of being secret terrorists. They created fear and anger. One respected bible college principal said is was scary and felt like a Nazi rally. Is that really acceptable??

These 2 guys have a history of confrontation back in their home countries. Do we really want South Asians, either Muslims or Christians, spreading their ethnic violence here? Before you support these guys you should check with all the troubled pastors who were there- they are more worried by these 2 than by muslims.

Irrespective of the court outcomes, reading the actual words of their seminars is scary stuff.
Really, is your agenda to bring peace, or promote those who stir up violence?

Andrew Bolt

Did you read a single word of my column? Of the Appeal Court judgment? Of Scot's lecture?

Clearly not (presuming you are not an outright and shameless liar) or you would see the pastors did NOT call for violence against Muslims at all, but - as the Appeal Court said - repeatedly urged Christians to love Muslims, take them into their home and offer them the hand of friendship.

Nor were "hundreds of pastors" at a seminar of Pentecostal parishioners said by the court to number no more than 200 to 250 people in all.

Why do you tell such wild untruths? Is your agenda to bring peace or promote those who stir up dissention, fear, intolerance and repression?

Andrew Bolt
Sat 23 Dec 06 (01:08pm)

Posted by Eric on Fri 22 Dec 06 at 01:55pm

Sammer of Wantirna , you have mentioned what kind of life christians have in egypt:-

- daugthers of christian parents abducted and foricbly married to muslim men - perhaps never to be seen again by their parents. Also drugged and raped and the entire episode filmed casting deep shame upon the whole family (I know this one from an egyptian pastor living in australia).

- the fact christians don't get access to good jobs
- the fact that many have to make a living from the rubbish dumps.

Eric.

Posted by Eric on Fri 22 Dec 06 at 02:09pm

Posted by Zumba Bumba of Hallam (No way near Hogwarts) on Wed 20 Dec 06 at 06:58pm.

If you study the God of the koran and the God of the bible you would be hard pressed to think they were the same God because of the different character traits on display. I think Danny Naliah's comments stand - logically speaking (for those who possess the ability to rationalise).

Eric.

Posted by Eric on Fri 22 Dec 06 at 02:24pm

I feel this is pertinent. I sent this to the EOC email address (wonder if it will be read or just deleted):

To whom it may concern,

Andrew Bolte's column in Wednesday's Herald Sun (20/12/2006) sums up very well how silly this religious vilification law is. I wonder how much more of my tax money the EOC will be wasting this year on persuing such silly groundless claims. I would also be interested to know if the EOC will apply just as much effort in uncovering exactly what transpired with the muslim youth of the school in preston who desecrated a bible. Children aren't born with prejudices - they learn them - will the EOC look into how these children learnt to be so prejudiced and if necessary take legal action ?.

Eric.

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